sherm03;587239 wrote:OK...let me give it a shot.

Louisville St. Thomas Aquinas goes out and brings in students from surrounding areas
Word gets out how they are going to be.
After a couple of games, they are sitting at 2-3.
People begin to take notice.
They play out the rest of the season at 3-2.
People are REALLY noticing their talent now.
They don't make the playoffs...AGAIN...and spend another post season at home.

Wait, that doesn't fit skank. I thought you said ANY private school would fit your mold and that it's universal.

Let me try again.

Cleveland Villa Angela St. Joe goes out and recruits areas (and beyond) talent
Word gets out as to how good they are going to be
After a couple of games, they are 2-3.
People begin to take notice.
They finish their remaining games 2-3...with an overall record of 4-6.
People are REALLY noticing their talent level now.
They don't make the playoffs.

Damn...it didn't work again. What am I doing wrong here skank?

Funny you choose two teams that have not had good seasons in a while, yet, in their times, have assembled some pretty good teams.

Nice change of direction. No one noticed that you got owned on your last point.

tsst_fballfan;587137 wrote:oops my bad. I forgot to mention the jr lives 90 miles away from Alter. I also forgot to mention the jr has interest from multiple D1 colleges. :shrugs:

OK - produce the letter. You've got to be cherry-picking your facts or making them up. Who wrote the letter? To whom was it sent? You said it was a "jr."? Already in high school? Was it in response to a request by someone or parents "90 miles away"? What did the letter say - sorry you live so far away? Or maybe "thanks for your inquiry"? Or maybe, "would you like to coach at Alter"?

Let's start finding letters from every school in the state and interpreting them any way we want.

I simply don't believe you. Easy to accuse. Produce the evidence.

skank;587248 wrote:Funny you choose two teams that have not had good seasons in a while, yet, in their times, have assembled some pretty good teams.

Sounds like someone pretty close to home for you.

skank;587248 wrote:Funny you choose two teams that have not had good seasons in a while, yet, in their times, have assembled some pretty good teams.

This is getting pretty tiresome. Funny the crybabies are from publics that have not had good seasons either. If they were winners, they wouldn't be crying. What does that make them?

Sherm try to plug the Tigers in there. I did it and got 22 titles you can use as toilet paper.

skank;587248 wrote:Funny you choose two teams that have not had good seasons in a while, yet, in their times, have assembled some pretty good teams.

You're right. VASJ's lone state championship from 1989 (when they were just St. Joseph) is pretty freaking impressive. Let's forget the fact that McKinley (one of those poorly disadvantaged public schools) beat St. Joe three times in the state semi finals. And Louisville St. Thomas's lone state championship from 1984 is just as impressive.

Yep...sure have "assembled" some really dominate teams recently...

Be Nice;587208 wrote:When everyone starts play'in by the same rules then and only then will people like myself not have an agenda. Game on.

Again, this is really getting silly. Publics set their agendas. Privates set their agendas. They do have very different missions as educational institutions. Privates never set out to educate everyone. They structure their schools around their religious and moral beliefs, academic goals, athletic and social outlets and go from there. Publics are structured by law to provide everyone who shows up a "thorough" education, obviously without religious beliefs but otherwise with academic goals and social and athletic outlets. What's so different?

Are you still complaining that publics have districts and round up everyone in the district, and complain that privates are "taking" "their" students, athletes or whatever? Better find some new arguments. Those old ones aren't working so well.

aged jock;587254 wrote:This is getting pretty tiresome. Funny the crybabies are from publics that have not had good seasons either. If they were winners, they wouldn't be crying. What does that make them?

A few of them yes. Thinthick is a Steubenville guy. Who's team has proven they can beat some of the best private schools around. But I guess he's like Batman...as he's claimed to just "feel bad for the little guys" in the lower divisions. But he fails to respond to the point that if there were no private schools in D4-D6...the MAC would just run wild and win just about every title.

So, while most of the crybabies are from publics that don't win often, some are from publics who win quite often and are just sad people.

skank;587244 wrote:Here's what I propose, remember the NFL Europe? On the uniforms of the players they wore the logos of the NFL team they were affiliated with? That's what we should make the parochials do. A kid from Ignatius, he was recruited from Brecksville, he wears a Brecksville Bees logo on his jersey.

How about we just put the logo of the private in the district on the public school team's unis? Because a kid lives in Brecksville, he belongs to the Bees and doesn't have a choice where he wants to go to school? Tell you what - let's not keep score. Let's just say you are required to play for the local public school even if you attend a private school somewhere else. Then you get a participation letter and a pat on the head, and we all sing Kumbaya at the end of every quarter. We can help each other up (oh, sorry, I forgot - nobody gets to knock anybody down). My bad. Sounds like a great time to me. What do you think?

aged jock;587261 wrote:Again, this is really getting silly. Publics set their agendas. Privates set their agendas. They do have very different missions as educational institutions. Privates never set out to educate everyone. They structure their schools around their religious and moral beliefs, academic goals, athletic and social outlets and go from there. Publics are structured by law to provide everyone who shows up a "thorough" education, obviously without religious beliefs but otherwise with academic goals and social and athletic outlets. What's so different?

Are you still complaining that publics have districts and round up everyone in the district, and complain that privates are "taking" "their" students, athletes or whatever? Better find some new arguments. Those old ones aren't working so well.

" 'Their' students" - great point, aged jock. Since when does a public school have ownership rights on any individual? Last I checked it was still a free country....for a little while longer anyway.

skank;587244 wrote:Here's what I propose, remember the NFL Europe? On the uniforms of the players they wore the logos of the NFL team they were affiliated with? That's what we should make the parochials do. A kid from Ignatius, he was recruited from Brecksville, he wears a Brecksville Bees logo on his jersey.

I'm starting to see your point. You actually believe that every kid IS affiliated with a public school. They DO belong to the government. I'm getting it now. This is Europe in your mind - Eastern Europe. You need to move to Russia, Comrade!

aged jock;587266 wrote:I'm starting to see your point. You actually believe that every kid IS affiliated with a public school. They DO belong to the government. I'm getting it now. This is Europe in your mind - Eastern Europe. You need to move to Russia, Comrade!

Bingo.

sherm03;587258 wrote:You're right. VASJ's lone state championship from 1989 (when they were just St. Joseph) is pretty freaking impressive. Let's forget the fact that McKinley (one of those poorly disadvantaged public schools) beat St. Joe three times in the state semi finals. And Louisville St. Thomas's lone state championship from 1984 is just as impressive.

Yep...sure have "assembled" some really dominate teams recently...

Their 4 state titles in bball in the 90, prove that not all parochs lean on football, you think that You can say "look at St Ed, they have never won a title in football before"? Well, look at their wrestling program.

Be Nice;587113 wrote:sirclovis.....be proud for clown post #1. LOL Can you say... hollow victory?

Hahahahaha a state championship is a hollow victory! Well that about made my day

skank;587273 wrote:Their 4 state titles in bball in the 90, prove that not all parochs lean on football, you think that You can say "look at St Ed, they have never won a title in football before"? Well, look at their wrestling program.

Great program, isn't it?

Look at Graham. Great program, isn't it?

What's your point? If any school sets out to have a great program, it can be done. My point is that a lot of privates, particularly Catholic schools, set out to build great football programs. When I was in high school, I thought Catholic schools started football, because my Catholic school coaches so integrated prayer and belief into the football program.

There it is - I have an answer for you. Maybe public school teams should pray together. That's the real difference between the Catholic teams and the public teams now.

aged jock;587266 wrote:I'm starting to see your point. You actually believe that every kid IS affiliated with a public school. They DO belong to the government. I'm getting it now. This is Europe in your mind - Eastern Europe. You need to move to Russia, Comrade!

The root cause is cognitive dissonance. Skank 1) knows that his school will never, ever win a state title in his lifetime, 2) cannot deal with this fact in a real-world setting, and therefore, he 3) builds a world where there is a reason for #1 that he can deal with, that the reason his school can no longer compete is due to the misconduct of others.

sirclovis;587276 wrote:Hahahahaha a state championship is a hollow victory! Well that about made my day

Far more hollow would be a separation where a team like Shadyside could bve considered a "state champion". People holding that position should be embarrassed.

Их 4 государственных названия в bball в этих 90, докажите, что не все parochs наклоняются на футболе, Вы думаете, что Вы можете сказать "взгляд на С-Эда, они никогда не выигрывали название в футболе прежде"? Хорошо, взгляд на их борющуюся программу.

That's skank's last statement in Russian

Commie ^^^

queencitybuckeye;587278 wrote:The root cause is cognitive dissonance. Skank 1) knows that his school will never, ever win a state title in his lifetime, 2) cannot deal with this fact, and therefore, he 3) builds a world where there is a reason for #1 that he can deal with, that the reason his school can no longer compete is due to the misconduct of others.

Great post, I will tell you that I have seen some pretty darn good teams here in Massillon, but as I have said before, the "parochial advantage' HAS really derailed our program, I mean to play the Moeller tri state all star team in the '80s, the Ignatius Greater NEO all star teams in the '90s and '00s, then we run into the St X parochial power in the 05 title game. The 91 team was loaded with talent, talent that went on to OSU, BGSU, Kentucky, Toledo, Mich. State, Another to Kentucky, another to BGSU, Mt. Union. western Ky. and we still couldn't beat your all star team that year, maybe you're right.

etak;587283 wrote:Их 4 государственных названия в bball в этих 90, докажите, что не все parochs наклоняются на футболе, Вы думаете, что Вы можете сказать "взгляд на С-Эда, они никогда не выигрывали название в футболе прежде"? Хорошо, взгляд на их борющуюся программу.

That's skank's last statement in Russian

No wonder I can't understand him!

queencitybuckeye;587279 wrote:Far more hollow would be a separation where a team like Shadyside could bve considered a "state champion". People holding that position should be embarrassed.

I definitely Agree with that

queencitybuckeye;587279 wrote:Far more hollow would be a separation where a team like Shadyside could bve considered a "state champion". People holding that position should be embarrassed.

No, if Shadyside was allowed to "assemble" the talent like so many Parochs, they may have been on the other side of the 71 margin.

Damn right I'm right, particularly that your school will never, ever win a state title. Thanks for admitting that this is your real bottom line for your complaints, not some higher concept of "fairness". You want to see your team win a trophy, and it's just not going to happen.