Quack, quack, quack. Call it what you want, sherm, call it what you want.

Read post 295 sherman.

skank;571664 wrote:Read post 295 sherman.

So would you have a problem if Fecko came to talk to the South Catholic Cardinals 7th and 8th grade teams?

Sherm my man:

Let it go! You can't win this argument. Maybe someday the OHSAA will throw the parochial schools out and then these morons will really piss and moan because there won't be any rules to govern recruiting. Please, I pray , that this happens in my lifetime.

As far as Ursuline goes they are without a doubt one of the best teams in any division this year but don't think for one minute they could match up with St. Eds

Dean Wormer;571698 wrote:Sherm my man:

Let it go! You can't win this argument. Maybe someday the OHSAA will throw the parochial schools out and then these morons will really piss and moan because there won't be any rules to govern recruiting. Please, I pray , that this happens in my lifetime.

As far as Ursuline goes they are without a doubt one of the best teams in any division this year but don't think for one minute they could match up with St. Eds

They would beat St Eds on any given day for sure......10 games 5 wins

hold on to your votes until after the games .......

Thinthickbigred;569052 wrote:Kettering Alter in D-$ has already taken care of the toughet comp in that division so the catholic schools are favored in every sing division......... I hope the publics win the 4 that they have a chnce at I really do ..But I see the catholic schools winning 4 of these titles ...now they are what 10% of all schools and they win 65% of football titles maybe more ....just saying food for thought....I am pulling for Buhctel or Marlington and Uniontown Lake and the Shadyside even though they have no chance....

So I keep hearing public school fans bring up this stat and it just never sounded right to me. So I went through and tracked the winners of all the titles...in every division...for every year.

D1 - 6 private schools have won the state title a total of 23 times. Before people say anything about the disparity here...9 public schools won the other 15 titles (and it is technically 8...but I'm counting Warren Western Reserve and Warren Harding as two separate schools). All total, 15 teams have accounted for all 38 titles. Why is it that people complain about X, Iggy, and St. Ed...and not Princeton, Harding, McKinley, and Hilliard Davidson.

D2 - 9 private schools have won 12 state titles, while 15 public schools have won 18 titles.

D3 - 10 private schools have won 24 state titles, while 12 public schools have won the other 14 titles.

D4 - 9 private schools have won 11 state titles, while 11 public schools have won 19 titles.

D5 - 6 private schools have won 15 state titles, while 16 public schools have won 23 titles.

D6- 2 private schools have won 7 state titles, while 5 public schools have won the other 9 titles.

All total...when you take out teams that have won titles in multiple divisions, there are 34 private schools that have won at least one state title. 64 different public schools have won the state title a total of 98 times, while those 34 private schools make up the other 92 titles.

So the privates account for only about 48% of the state football titles.

I also find it funny that the people that advocate the separation of the privates and publics and the multiplier system do so in the name of the smaller divisions. I've read on here more times than I can count how it's not fair that Ursuline is in D5...and those poor little rural schools don't stand a chance. So do those who feel that way ignore the fact that the publics hold the advantage 51-33 in divisions 4-6? Should teams like St. Thomas Aquinas and JFK be crying for Maria Stein Marion Local, St. Henry, Coldwater, Versailles, and Germantown Valley View to have to have a multiplier or be in their own playoffs?

thank you for making our point .........you guys have what 10% of the total schools if that ..maybe only 5% and you win 48 % of the football titles

yep. There's a lot of crappy football out there at some public schools. You're right about that Thintick.

Thinthickbigred;571827 wrote:They would beat St Eds on any given day for sure......10 games 5 wins

The are not even close to St. Edward. I have watched them both play and there's not comparison.

They should just enforce the rule of "If you move to another school you can NOT play in sports the 1st year. Just like College" The rules do not apply for private schools in Ohio. Make this a rule for ALL schools private, public, and public with Open Enrollment. Then there probably would be less and less transfers.. It may or may not even out the playing field some. You never know.

JRock211;572177 wrote:They should just enforce the rule of "If you move to another school you can NOT play in sports the 1st year. Just like College" The rules do not apply for private schools in Ohio. Make this a rule for ALL schools private, public, and public with Open Enrollment. Then there probably would be less and less transfers.. It may or may not even out the playing field some. You never know.

The only rule difference in transferring schools is if you go to your home public district, you don't have to sit out a year. If you transfer to a private school, you have to sit out a year unles your move or the superintendent from the district you leave signs off on it.

Thinthickbigred;572170 wrote:thank you for making our point .........you guys have what 10% of the total schools if that ..maybe only 5% and you win 48 % of the football titles

How does that make your point? There are 715 teams across all divisions in the state of Ohio.

The champions from private schools are 4.75% of the total number of teams.
The champions from public schools are 8.81% of the total number of teams. (I just checked and realized I counted Maria Stein Marion Local twice...so only 63 different public schools have won titles.)
The total number of champions (public or private) only make up 13.56% of the total number of teams.

So you can construe the facts all you want...but if you actually take the time to look at the list of winners...you see the same teams over and over again. For the private schools...you see Moeller, Iggy, St. X, Mooney, Ursuline, Benedictine (from back in the day). For the public schools...you see more disparity in divisions 1-3...but in divisions 4-6 you see Coldwater, Versailles, Maria Stein ML, Germantown Valley View, and St. Henry.

I like that you completely ignored my point about the publics dominating divisions 4-6...which is exactly the divisions that everyone points to when saying that privates have an unfair advantage. But the truth is...public schools do better in those divisions than private schools do.

Sherm

That's called public school reading comprehension

Look where he's from

Rocket08;572289 wrote:Sherm

That's called public school reading comprehension

Look where he's from

I have a question for you smart guy .....Do your school have entrance exams.?
I am not talking about placement exams I am talking about entrance exams...In other words if you are sub standard in reading you cant get into that school..
Linsly West Virginia ironically has entrance exams ..THEY are all about academics but cannot participate in the WVA playoffs in football... They always field an outstanding team ...

I forgot going to one of your wonderful schools where the teachers gets paid less will magically make you a better student and person because they are around a better quality of people ....

Thinthickbigred;572170 wrote:thank you for making our point .........you guys have what 10% of the total schools if that ..maybe only 5% and you win 48 % of the football titles

Give this guy a baby bottle . Big Red recruits just like the private schools.

Mr. Football;572438 wrote:Give this guy a baby bottle . Big Red recruits just like the private schools.

That is a total lie... A misconception...I am trying to have a debate without personnel insults ... You get mad and come back at me like a 13 year old ..I truely dont care if they change the format ,but I am concerned for our smaller brothers that cant fight you big bullies ..We can handle ourselves in a street fight .

Thinthickbigred;572496 wrote:That is a total lie... A misconception...I am trying to have a debate without personnel insults ... You get mad and come back at me like a 13 year old ..I truely dont care if they change the format ,but I am concerned for our smaller brothers that cant fight you big bullies ..We can handle ourselves in a street fight .

So if a kid chooses to go Big Red it is a misconception that they recruit, but if a kid chooses Ursuline, Ursuline must be recruiting? Do you honestly not see the flaw in your logic?

Al Bundy;572513 wrote:So if a kid chooses to go Big Red it is a misconception that they recruit, but if a kid chooses Ursuline, Ursuline must be recruiting? Do you honestly not see the flaw in your logic?

Ok I do see your way ....Let me go another way ....In my opinion you guys do some cherry picking in a metro area of over 100,000 people for your football program ...What kid with good talent wouldnt want to go to either Mooney or Ursuline instead of the other Ytown schools...I dont blame your schools for doing this ...I just find the playoff system flawed .......A few years back my nephew played for Toronto ..They made it as far as the state semi finales got killed by Newark catholic another catholic school similar to yours ...Toronto a town of 5,000 might field a great team like that every 30 years ..... ...

Thinthickbigred;572541 wrote:Ok I do see your way ....Let me go another way ....In my opinion you guys do some cherry picking in a metro area of over 100,000 people for your football program ...What kid with good talent wouldnt want to go to either Mooney or Ursuline instead of the other Ytown schools...I dont blame your schools for doing this ...I just find the playoff system flawed .......A few years back my nephew played for Toronto ..They made it as far as the state semi finales got killed by Newark catholic another catholic school similar to yours ...Toronto a town of 5,000 might field a great team like that every 30 years ..... ...

Do you feel that Big Red has a big advantage since they seem to attract kids from other districts (even other states)? Or are the kids attracted to Big Red because of the winning tradition and the increased chance of getting a college scholarship? I don't doubt that kids and families are attracted to good programs, but the good programs can be private or public.

Thinthickbigred;572541 wrote:Ok I do see your way ....Let me go another way ....In my opinion you guys do some cherry picking in a metro area of over 100,000 people for your football program ...What kid with good talent wouldnt want to go to either Mooney or Ursuline instead of the other Ytown schools...I dont blame your schools for doing this ...I just find the playoff system flawed .......A few years back my nephew played for Toronto ..They made it as far as the state semi finales got killed by Newark catholic another catholic school similar to yours ...Toronto a town of 5,000 might field a great team like that every 30 years ..... ...

You contradict yourself in this post. If your beef is the large population base covered by the Y-town schools, Newark Catholic couldn't be further from that. The only thing they have in common is that they're Catholic schools and have a tradition of success.

I'm still waiting for the separatists to explain how to tell their son he doesn't deserve the right to compete for a true state championship because mommy and daddy stepped in. You don't see the kids complaining, they just want to compete.

Thinthickbigred;572541 wrote:Ok I do see your way ....Let me go another way ....In my opinion you guys do some cherry picking in a metro area of over 100,000 people for your football program ...What kid with good talent wouldnt want to go to either Mooney or Ursuline instead of the other Ytown schools...I dont blame your schools for doing this ...I just find the playoff system flawed .......A few years back my nephew played for Toronto ..They made it as far as the state semi finales got killed by Newark catholic another catholic school similar to yours ...Toronto a town of 5,000 might field a great team like that every 30 years ..... ...

So if your nephew's team got blown out by St. Henry...a public school that has won 4 state titles in D5, and 2 state titles in D6...would you be calling for St. Henry to move up or play in a separate playoff? How about if your nephew's team got beat by Maria Stein Marion Local...a public school that has won 2 state titles in D5, and 3 state titles in D6? Would you be so upset then?

And why do you keep ignoring the FACT that public schools generally dominate the lower divisions?

Probably the same reason why you guys keep ignoring Steelhounds question.

Sucks when facts get in the way of your argument...huh thinthick?

What facts ..I dont have the numbers in front of me .....I was making an illustration with Newark catholic another team that has won like 9 state playoff titles in the lower division while Newark high school never does anything ...Sound familiar?
Delphos St John another small catholic school power whos has won like what 6 state championships at the lower level while Delphose Jefferson pails in comparrison .....Toledo catholic schools generally dominate in Toledo and have been the only schools to win the title in that town ...Middletown Fenwick another small Catholic school that has won titles while Middletown high has not won any yet ..sound familiar.....Ashtabula st Johns sound familiar compared to Ashtabula .........Cinci catholic schools I just dont know where to start ..... Kettering Alter a winner and Kettering Fairmont a D-1 team from the same town lousy and gets beat down by Alter every year ..Sound familiar.....
You can talk all the smack about Steubenville you want ..Both our schools have won multiple titles and Weirton and Weirton Maddonna have as well and we have all made the title game the same year ..Hard to do if everybody is playng for the Red ..
Wish we had em all cause we would destroy everybody ...........