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Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football

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Mrs.Mustang

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Sep 1, 2011 8:36 AM
Where's the "beating the dead horse"cartoon.:confused:
Sep 1, 2011 8:36am
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Thinthickbigred

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Sep 1, 2011 9:41 AM
Dean Wormer;879039 wrote:Unless you play for a parochial school. Then you get punished by some stupid multiplier or separate playoffs. Thick you kill me. What is it. Let em play or punish the parochial schools? :confused::confused:
Let everybody play ... Im ok with the same playoffs but atleast put the juggernauts like Mooney and Ursulin in higher divisions since they get the best kids in a huge metro area
Sep 1, 2011 9:41am
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Sep 1, 2011 10:00 AM
Thinthickbigred;879111 wrote:Let everybody play ... Im ok with the same playoffs but atleast put the juggernauts like Mooney and Ursulin in higher divisions since they get the best kids in a huge metro area
There lies the problem.
Sep 1, 2011 10:00am
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Thinthickbigred

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Sep 1, 2011 10:50 AM
rmolin73;879133 wrote:There lies the problem.
What problem ????? ITs the way it is ... Im not worried about them teams for my teams sake ... Big Red will handle itself .. Im talking about the other schools .. Ive already explained this before ... I dont care about playing either of those teams ...its all good .. you misundersatnd me .. you really do
Sep 1, 2011 10:50am
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Al Bundy

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Sep 1, 2011 11:08 AM
Thinthickbigred;879189 wrote:What problem ????? ITs the way it is ... Im not worried about them teams for my teams sake ... Big Red will handle itself .. Im talking about the other schools .. Ive already explained this before ... I dont care about playing either of those teams ...its all good .. you misundersatnd me .. you really do
Say you took Ursuline and St. John's out of the equation in divisons 5 and 6. The title will still still be won by good MAC teams. Those teams have beaten Ursuline in the state final and compete against St. John's in conference play. You are basically asking for a system that will give state titles to bad teams. The titles aren't going to be distributed evenly if you take out a couple of teams. You will still have good teams and bad teams.
Sep 1, 2011 11:08am
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rmolin73

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Sep 1, 2011 11:10 AM
Then let those schools speak for themselves. Other that it sounds like sour grapes. The MAC schools have no problem. Why don't teams try and emulate them?
Sep 1, 2011 11:10am
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thavoice

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Sep 1, 2011 11:24 AM
Our school has been beaten by a private school in the state finals three times.

But they have also beaten a private school twice in the state finals as well.

We have also beaten a number of private schools on the playoff runs.

It def creates a david vs goliath mentality for the public school

It can be tough going against them, but I dont think there should be separate divisions for the both. Maybe some sort of multiplier for a private school with how wide ranging their enrollment is or whatnot.


BUt...i would rather not see separate divisions.
Sep 1, 2011 11:24am
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Al Bundy

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Sep 1, 2011 11:38 AM
thavoice;879233 wrote:Our school has been beaten by a private school in the state finals three times.

But they have also beaten a private school twice in the state finals as well.

We have also beaten a number of private schools on the playoff runs.

It def creates a david vs goliath mentality for the public school

It can be tough going against them, but I dont think there should be separate divisions for the both. Maybe some sort of multiplier for a private school with how wide ranging their enrollment is or whatnot.


BUt...i would rather not see separate divisions.
A multiplier is fine, but Open Enrollment schools should also be part of any multiplier system since they can also draw from all over.
Sep 1, 2011 11:38am
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Sep 1, 2011 12:27 PM
Al Bundy;879257 wrote:A multiplier is fine, but Open Enrollment schools should also be part of any multiplier system since they can also draw from all over.
Exactly. The people that act like private schools have some huge advantage over open enrollment schools are out of their mind. Go ahead and put a multiplier that isnt designed to screw just private schools, or allow any school (private or parochial) to move up voluntarily.

I would have been ok with the previous proposal is it didn't include the tradition factor, the free lunch factor, and the fact that OE schools were weighted differently from private schools.
Sep 1, 2011 12:27pm
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Rocket08

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Sep 2, 2011 1:51 PM
Skunk

Your best player on defense is a kid named Taylor

He's from Canton. He "just happened" to show up at Massillon

Please explain how that's not an unfair advantage for your team

Then, look up the word hypocrite in the dictionary (that's a book with a whole bunch of words) Look at the definition - - that's you
Sep 2, 2011 1:51pm
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Al Bundy

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Sep 2, 2011 5:46 PM
Rocket08;880522 wrote:Skunk

Your best player on defense is a kid named Taylor

He's from Canton. He "just happened" to show up at Massillon

Please explain how that's not an unfair advantage for your team

Then, look up the word hypocrite in the dictionary (that's a book with a whole bunch of words) Look at the definition - - that's you
After last night it looks like they need to bring a few more Canton kids.
Sep 2, 2011 5:46pm
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Sep 2, 2011 6:52 PM
Rocket08;880522 wrote:Skunk

Your best player on defense is a kid named Taylor

He's from Canton. He "just happened" to show up at Massillon

Please explain how that's not an unfair advantage for your team

Then, look up the word hypocrite in the dictionary (that's a book with a whole bunch of words) Look at the definition - - that's you


The guy who OCCASIONALLY uses punctuation is going to tell me about a book with a "whole bunch of words"?

You had better use your "book with a whole bunch of words". Can't find it? Maybe it's behind the book with a whole bunch of Jr. High football players names from the surrounding areas.
Sep 2, 2011 6:52pm
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Sep 2, 2011 6:55 PM
Al Bundy;880805 wrote:After last night it looks like they need to bring a few more Canton kids.


Bringing in kids from the surrounding area doesn't mean success is definate, although it has worked out well for YOUR school.
Sep 2, 2011 6:55pm
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skank

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Sep 2, 2011 7:00 PM
Al Bundy;880805 wrote:After last night it looks like they need to bring a few more Canton kids.


Did you actually see the game? If so, I think it was nice of sherm to give you permission to go....Or....I hope I just didn't get you in trouble....Sorry.
Sep 2, 2011 7:00pm
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Sep 2, 2011 7:08 PM
skank;880852 wrote:The guy who OCCASIONALLY uses punctuation is going to tell me about a book with a "whole bunch of words"?

You had better use your "book with a whole bunch of words". Can't find it? Maybe it's behind the book with a whole bunch of Jr. High football players names from the surrounding areas.
Funny that you COMPLETELY ignore his point about your hypocritical views. Rally against Mooney and Ursuline for "getting kids from Boardman, Struthers, etc." yet ignore the fact that you have kids from outside Massillon on your team.

You're about as big of a joke as thinthick, now.
Sep 2, 2011 7:08pm
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skank

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Sep 2, 2011 8:08 PM
sherm03;880860 wrote:Funny that you COMPLETELY ignore his point about your hypocritical views. Rally against Mooney and Ursuline for "getting kids from Boardman, Struthers, etc." yet ignore the fact that you have kids from outside Massillon on your team.

You're about as big of a joke as thinthick, now.


What do you want me to say? We've been through this, Massillon does not hold combines with the intent on attracting kids to their school, despite what rocket or bundy, I forget which, says, (you really need to do a better job of identifying your #4 guy and your #6 guy). I don't know about the Y'town schools, (I'm sure they do something of the sort), but I'm talking about the Cleveland area parochials, the story was a 4 or 6 parter in the Plain Dealer several years ago. More later.
Sep 2, 2011 8:08pm
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Al Bundy

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Sep 2, 2011 8:25 PM
skank;880880 wrote:What do you want me to say? We've been through this, Massillon does not hold combines with the intent on attracting kids to their school, despite what rocket or bundy, I forget which, says, (you really need to do a better job of identifying your #4 guy and your #6 guy). I don't know about the Y'town schools, (I'm sure they do something of the sort), but I'm talking about the Cleveland area parochials, the story was a 4 or 6 parter in the Plain Dealer several years ago. More later.
http://rise.espn.go.com/football/articles/2011/02/12-Ohio-combine-recap.aspx

I know I have you told several times (but you have a bad memory and keep forgetting). I am a public school guy.
Sep 2, 2011 8:25pm
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Thinthickbigred

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Sep 2, 2011 9:50 PM
Congrats Al on your Hollywood Star
Sep 2, 2011 9:50pm
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Rocket08

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Sep 2, 2011 11:37 PM
skank;880880 wrote: I don't know about the Y'town schools, (I'm sure they do something of the sort), but I'm talking about the Cleveland area parochials, the story was a 4 or 6 parter in the Plain Dealer several years ago. More later.
You're not sure of anything. You think/ hope that Youngstown schools have combines etc. but you have no idea

As usual, you just make crap up, and it makes you look stupid

BTW, your post was pretty poorly laid out, with multiple errors. You might want to tighten that up a bit. It's a bad reflection on the stellar education that was provided to you by your outstanding school system :p
Sep 2, 2011 11:37pm
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Gardens35

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Sep 2, 2011 11:47 PM
Al Bundy;879257 wrote:A multiplier is fine, but Open Enrollment schools should also be part of any multiplier system since they can also draw from all over.
How would a multiplier apply to a D1 school with open enrollment?
Sep 2, 2011 11:47pm
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Sep 2, 2011 11:57 PM
Gardens35;881170 wrote:How would a multiplier apply to a D1 school with open enrollment?
The same way it would apply to a D1 parochial...it wouldn't.
Sep 2, 2011 11:57pm
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Al Bundy

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Sep 3, 2011 12:10 AM
Gardens35;881170 wrote:How would a multiplier apply to a D1 school with open enrollment?
You would still have to multiply before you divided up the divisions. A D1 school that doesn't have open enrollment may be passed up by a D2 with open enrollment after recalculating the numbers. A D1 school with open enrollment would still stay D1.
Sep 3, 2011 12:10am
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Sep 3, 2011 12:23 AM
Al Bundy;881216 wrote:You would still have to multiply before you divided up the divisions. A D1 school that doesn't have open enrollment may be passed up by a D2 with open enrollment after recalculating the numbers. A D1 school with open enrollment would still stay D1.
Thanks.
Sep 3, 2011 12:23am
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Mortgagestar1

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Sep 5, 2011 12:52 PM
Go to PBS oNline & watch Football High. Great documentary. They show several high school teams that would destroy 99% of ANY Ohio team, or Pennsylvania for that matter.
Sep 5, 2011 12:52pm
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gbigg

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Sep 5, 2011 7:20 PM
If that's the case it doesn't show when they come to Ohio and play
Sep 5, 2011 7:20pm