killer_ewok;556888 wrote:Lou Holtz just said Ohio State is the best team in the country.
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killer_ewok;556888 wrote:Lou Holtz just said Ohio State is the best team in the country.
gerb131;556884 wrote:He runs we win.
killer_ewok;556888 wrote:Lou Holtz just said Ohio State is the best team in the country.
hoops23;556709 wrote:Wow.
You're clearly not getting what that post was referring to. I'll give you a pass though.
You said you'll wait till the next big game when the defense gets shredded again and again, clearly inferring that it happens in every big game for OSU. You have also made it very clear from your posts that you consider this to be a big game, or you wouldn't keep comparing it to other big games. I understood what you said just find. If I didn't understand what you meant then you need to do a better job of making your meaning more clear.hoops23;556709 wrote:Wow.
You're clearly not getting what that post was referring to. I'll give you a pass though.
Big Gain;556899 wrote:Ohio State is 28-1 under Tressel when a player rushes for 100 yards.
killer_ewok;556888 wrote:Lou Holtz just said Ohio State is the best team in the country.
krambman;556907 wrote:You said you'll wait till the next big game when the defense gets shredded again and again, clearly inferring that it happens in every big game for OSU. You have also made it very clear from your posts that you consider this to be a big game, or you wouldn't keep comparing it to other big games. I understood what you said just find. If I didn't understand what you meant then you need to do a better job of making your meaning more clear.
And for the record . . .
This season OSU is giving up 13.6 points a game, which is just about the average for any Jim Heacock coached defense. Here are the numbers since he became the defensive coordinator.
2010 - 13.6 ppg
2009 - 12.5 ppg
2008 - 13.9 ppg
2007 - 12.7 ppg
2006 - 12.5 ppg
2005 - 15.3 ppg
Ohio State has also recorded six shutouts since he became coordinator, and have recorded a shutout in every season but two, and the defense recorded shutouts in both of these seasons because in both 2005 and 2007 OSU won games where the losing team scored only 2 points, which were given up by the offense.
They have 19 games where they haven’t surrendered a single touchdown.
They have 31 games where their opponents have failed to score in double digits (that’s 42% of the games since he became coordinator).
The defense has only given up 28 or more points six times under Heacock (which means they’re recorded more shutouts than games where they have given up four or more touchdowns) and 42 points in a bowl game is the most they’ve given up in any single game (during that same time frame OSU has scored 28 or more 47 times and they’ve scored 42 or more 18 times).
If I really wanted to I could go back and adjust all of the numbers for real scoring defense by taking out all points allowed by the offense or on special teams, or determine the numbers just given up by the starting defense.
Total defense under Heacock
2005 – 4th
2006 – 12th
2007 – 1st
2008 – 14th
2009 – 5th
2010 – 2nd
Scoring defense under Heacock
2005 – 7th
2006 – 2nd
2007 – 1st (by nearly five points per game)
2008 – 7th
2009 – 5th
2010 – 3rd
So, the OSU defense has recorded a defensive shutout in every season since Heacock became coordinator, has only allowed their opponents to score in double digits in 58% of their game since Heacock became coordinator, has only given up 28+ points once for every eight games the offense records 28+ points since Heacock became coordinator, has never finished lower than 14th (and averages being 6th) in total defense since Heacock became coordinator, and has never finished lower than 7th nationally in scoring defense since Heacock became coordinator. But you’re right, the defense isn't very good this year, he’s not good a good coordinator, and the defense is always getting shredded against good teams.
It sucks when the facts completely ruin your perception of reality, doesn't it?
ZombieKiller;556920 wrote:Lou Holtz is a moron. Ohio State isn't even the 10th best team in the country
krambman;556941 wrote:I'm honestly curious, who do you root for? Do you even have a favorite team? I've only ever seen you bad mouth OSU, but I've never seen you say anything good about any team or talk about how good your favorite team is. I'm not going to bash your team because that's not the kind of person I am, I'm just genuinely curious.
ccrunner609;557260 wrote:they must not of watched the Oregon game last year
Cleveland Buck;557213 wrote:I'm thrilled with the second half performance, but it doesn't take away any of my concerns. If Pryor throws the ball more than 12 times against Iowa, Ohio State will have no chance to win the game. And it also wouldn't shock me if Adam Robinson rushes for 175 yards on our defense.
LJ;557291 wrote:Pryor could throw for 500 yards and 6 tds per game and you would still say he sucks
Cleveland Buck;557302 wrote:If he put up those numbers against Eastern Michigan and Indiana and Minnesota, and then puts in his usual 8-22, 120 yard effort against the good defenses he faces, then I sure would say he sucks.
krambman;556907 wrote:You said you'll wait till the next big game when the defense gets shredded again and again, clearly inferring that it happens in every big game for OSU. You have also made it very clear from your posts that you consider this to be a big game, or you wouldn't keep comparing it to other big games. I understood what you said just find. If I didn't understand what you meant then you need to do a better job of making your meaning more clear.
And for the record . . .
This season OSU is giving up 13.6 points a game, which is just about the average for any Jim Heacock coached defense. Here are the numbers since he became the defensive coordinator.
2010 - 13.6 ppg
2009 - 12.5 ppg
2008 - 13.9 ppg
2007 - 12.7 ppg
2006 - 12.5 ppg
2005 - 15.3 ppg
Ohio State has also recorded six shutouts since he became coordinator, and have recorded a shutout in every season but two, and the defense recorded shutouts in both of these seasons because in both 2005 and 2007 OSU won games where the losing team scored only 2 points, which were given up by the offense. In the four years under Tressel before Heacock became the coordinator OSU only had one shutout.
They have 19 games where they haven’t surrendered a single touchdown.
They have 31 games where their opponents have failed to score in double digits (that’s 42% of the games since he became coordinator).
The defense has only given up 28 or more points six times under Heacock (which means they’re recorded more shutouts than games where they have given up four or more touchdowns) and 42 points in a bowl game is the most they’ve given up in any single game (during that same time frame OSU has scored 28 or more 47 times and they’ve scored 42 or more 18 times).
The defense has also scored 17 touchdowns and six safeties for 114 points under Heacock. The defense has scored points in 19 different games since he became the coordinator. That's an average of three games a season with the defense scoring points
If I really wanted to I could go back and adjust all of the numbers for real scoring defense by taking out all points allowed by the offense or on special teams, or determine the numbers just given up by the starting defense.
Total defense under Heacock
2005 – 4th
2006 – 12th
2007 – 1st
2008 – 14th
2009 – 5th
2010 – 2nd
Scoring defense under Heacock
2005 – 7th
2006 – 2nd
2007 – 1st (by nearly five points per game)
2008 – 7th
2009 – 5th
2010 – 3rd
Heacock also won the Frank Broyles award as the nation's top assistant coach in 2007.
So, the OSU defense has recorded a defensive shutout in every season since Heacock became coordinator, has only allowed their opponents to score in double digits in 58% of their game since Heacock became coordinator, has only given up 28+ points once for every eight games the offense records 28+ points since Heacock became coordinator, has never finished lower than 14th (and averages being 6th) in total defense since Heacock became coordinator, and has never finished lower than 7th nationally in scoring defense since Heacock became coordinator. But you’re right, the defense isn't very good this year, he’s not good a good coordinator, and the defense is always getting shredded against good teams.
If I'm incorrect please tell me how. Also, feel free to explain to me how Heacock is a horrible coordinator who should be fired and how the defense gets shredded against every good opponent. If you can prove me wrong then I'll man up and admit it.
It sucks when the facts completely ruin your perception of reality, doesn't it?
Cleveland Buck;557302 wrote:If he put up those numbers against Eastern Michigan and Indiana and Minnesota, and then puts in his usual 8-22, 120 yard effort against the good defenses he faces, then I sure would say he sucks.