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NFL ruling for hit on a defenseless player

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Oct 18, 2010 12:02 PM
Pick6;523940 wrote:I think they know the risks of the game. There is a reason they are making so much money.

Also a reason why they want MORE money.
Oct 18, 2010 12:02pm
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Oct 18, 2010 1:23 PM
Pick6;523940 wrote:I think they know the risks of the game. There is a reason they are making so much money.

So the NFL shouldn't protect their product and just pay the players more? Then why do they hand down suspensions for drug use? Why do they suspend players that make the league look bad?
Oct 18, 2010 1:23pm
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Oct 18, 2010 1:57 PM
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Oct 18, 2010 1:57pm
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Oct 18, 2010 2:21 PM
there was nothing wrong with the james harrison hit on cribbs what so ever...this rule applies to defenseless players trying to make a catch not guys running with the ball
Oct 18, 2010 2:21pm
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Oct 18, 2010 2:25 PM
Gblock;524070 wrote:there was nothing wrong with the james harrison hit on cribbs what so ever...this rule applies to defenseless players trying to make a catch not guys running with the ball

Not true.

NFL Head to Head Hitting Rules
By Cam Merritt, eHow Contributor
updated: June 25, 2010

Head trauma is an area of concern throughout football.
As concern has grown over the lasting effects of concussions and other head trauma suffered by its players, the National Football League has been cracking down on one of the leading causes of such injuries. A head-to-head hit, more commonly known as helmet-to-helmet contact, is no longer tolerated in the NFL. That has been made clear in the league's rule book: The helmet is not to be used as a weapon.
Hitting a Player
2. In most instances, helmet-to-helmet collisions that are intentional or that could have been avoided will be considered unnecessary roughness, subject to a 15-yard penalty on the player, usually the defender, who initiated the contact. Incidental contact won't necessarily be flagged, though. For example, if a defender goes to tackle a runner, and the players' helmets bump, it may not rise to the level of unnecessary roughness if the defender didn't lead with his helmet and was not using the helmet as a weapon. Incidental contact is a judgment call for the officials.
Oct 18, 2010 2:25pm
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Oct 18, 2010 2:29 PM
So will they start flagging/fining running backs who put their head down when running the ball?
Oct 18, 2010 2:29pm
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Oct 18, 2010 3:02 PM
WebFire;524081 wrote:So will they start flagging/fining running backs who put their head down when running the ball?

Good question.
Oct 18, 2010 3:02pm
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Oct 18, 2010 3:17 PM
fortfan;524074 wrote:Not true.

NFL Head to Head Hitting Rules
By Cam Merritt, eHow Contributor
updated: June 25, 2010

Head trauma is an area of concern throughout football.
As concern has grown over the lasting effects of concussions and other head trauma suffered by its players, the National Football League has been cracking down on one of the leading causes of such injuries. A head-to-head hit, more commonly known as helmet-to-helmet contact, is no longer tolerated in the NFL. That has been made clear in the league's rule book: The helmet is not to be used as a weapon.
Hitting a Player
2. In most instances, helmet-to-helmet collisions that are intentional or that could have been avoided will be considered unnecessary roughness, subject to a 15-yard penalty on the player, usually the defender, who initiated the contact. Incidental contact won't necessarily be flagged, though. For example, if a defender goes to tackle a runner, and the players' helmets bump, it may not rise to the level of unnecessary roughness if the defender didn't lead with his helmet and was not using the helmet as a weapon. Incidental contact is a judgment call for the officials.

And the Cribbs hit was an incidental contact, as far as head-to-head goes. Cribbs is running, Timmons starts to tackle him as Harrison comes in, the Timmons' contact essentially lowers Cribbs and moves him towards Harrison leading to a hard head shot. If Timmons wasn't involved in the play, it would be been a torso-level hit. The judgment call for the ref would have been if Harrison was using his helmet as a weapon. From the replay, his head was down in the charge position, but the impact was worsened by Cribbs' level being lowered after contact with Timmons.
Oct 18, 2010 3:17pm
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Oct 18, 2010 6:21 PM
Heretic;524146 wrote:And the Cribbs hit was an incidental contact, as far as head-to-head goes. Cribbs is running, Timmons starts to tackle him as Harrison comes in, the Timmons' contact essentially lowers Cribbs and moves him towards Harrison leading to a hard head shot. If Timmons wasn't involved in the play, it would be been a torso-level hit. The judgment call for the ref would have been if Harrison was using his helmet as a weapon. From the replay, his head was down in the charge position, but the impact was worsened by Cribbs' level being lowered after contact with Timmons.

I agree with this
Oct 18, 2010 6:21pm
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Oct 18, 2010 11:39 PM
And the Cribbs hit was an incidental contact, as far as head-to-head goes.
Maybe. But the hit on Massaquoi was pure thug....worse than the hit T.J. Ward delivered on the Bengals receiver. That hit should be a suspension. Massaquois was completley defensless and Harrison drilled him under the jaw.
Oct 18, 2010 11:39pm
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Oct 19, 2010 12:08 AM
What's next....hug them down? We used to play that with the girls when we were in high school, I think they called it powderpuff rules, but it was kind of fun. Of course there was no illegal use of hands.

They are talking of making the field bigger? How would that help? Longer runs before hitting?
Oct 19, 2010 12:08am
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Oct 19, 2010 12:58 AM
NFFL....National Flag Football League....this is getting ridiculous. You can't take hitting out of football, the game is watered down already.
Oct 19, 2010 12:58am
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Oct 19, 2010 7:44 AM
There is a difference between a hard hit and a purposeful blow to the head. The hit on Massaquoi was helemt and fists under the chin.. there's a difference between rules that outlaw that and 'in the grasp' rules to protect a QB. If you are going to allow thugs like Harrison to deliver potentially career ending blows to receivers, then his knees should be vulnerable to attack also....aka chop blocks etc. It all depends on what you want out of the game. Do you want a street brawl or flag football? I can't see why they can't get it right somewhere in between.
Oct 19, 2010 7:44am
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Gblock

Oct 19, 2010 7:46 AM
well now instead of going high i hope you dont see an increase of people going low and shredding someones knees....
Oct 19, 2010 7:46am
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Oct 19, 2010 8:42 AM
Sort of off topic, since it doesn't deal with the defenseless rule, but a big hit. Watch the replay...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSR9ZuN3n3Q
Oct 19, 2010 8:42am
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Oct 19, 2010 8:55 AM
Gblock;524799 wrote:well now instead of going high i hope you dont see an increase of people going low and shredding someones knees....

If i have a choice between getting my knee shredded or being paralyzed and/or brain damage, i will take one to the knees.
Oct 19, 2010 8:55am
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Oct 19, 2010 9:15 AM
well basically i blame all the terrrible quarterbacks that are currently starting in the league....stop hanging guys out to dry
Oct 19, 2010 9:15am
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Oct 19, 2010 12:10 PM
These rules are turning football into a complete joke
Oct 19, 2010 12:10pm
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Oct 19, 2010 1:39 PM
The NFL stated that Harrison's hit on Cribbs was correctly not penalized. They did say that the hit on Massaquoi should have been flagged.

And LOL at the "thug" comment(s). Why am I not surprised that someone would take it there.....
Oct 19, 2010 1:39pm
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Oct 19, 2010 2:03 PM
killer_ewok;525053 wrote:The NFL stated that Harrison's hit on Cribbs was correctly not penalized. They did say that the hit on Massaquoi should have been flagged.

And LOL at the "thug" comment(s). Why am I not surprised that someone would take it there.....

I mean, he did say his goal is to hurt people lol.
Oct 19, 2010 2:03pm
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Oct 19, 2010 2:20 PM
hurt, but not injure
Oct 19, 2010 2:20pm
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Oct 19, 2010 4:04 PM
Gblock;525102 wrote:hurt, but not injure

This.

I mean, Dick Butkus must've been a thug too. Ronnie Lott as well. And the list goes on.
Oct 19, 2010 4:04pm
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Oct 19, 2010 4:07 PM
killer_ewok;525187 wrote:This.

I mean, Dick Butkus must've been a thug too. Ronnie Lott as well. And the list goes on.

Im not calling him a thug. But Why would anyone want to hurt someone and why would you announce it to the World?
Oct 19, 2010 4:07pm
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Oct 19, 2010 4:32 PM
Laley23;525188 wrote:Im not calling him a thug. But Why would anyone want to hurt someone and why would you announce it to the World?

Because that's part of his job. Pro football is a violent sport.
Oct 19, 2010 4:32pm