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Oct 13, 2010 12:35 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5678493

Clausen's agent was and is Gary Wichard. Luchs said when he went to Gary's operation they didn't pay people, so that makes me feel better about it. Clausen comes from an affluent family too, I think. So those signs point to no. Now, it does explain why Mel Kiper was livid about his draft status falling hahaha

EDIT: His father is an "insurance executive," according to an article. I doubt he needed extra cash.
Oct 13, 2010 12:35pm
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Oct 13, 2010 12:38 PM
Gblock;518251 wrote:kiper defended himself very well on mike and mike this morning breaking down players that this guy had signed and where he ranked them, not much evidence there...

I don't know if that's true. He only seemed to use examples that benefited his side of the argument. Of all the guys he mentioned, they went higher in the draft than he projected, but he didn't seem to give many examples of the contrary.

Plus, that's not even really what's up for debate. Luchs' claimed that Kiper would make timely phone calls to agents when they were in meetings with players, and there is no doubt that happened.

I have always wondered how much value NFL GM's put into Kiper's opinions though. Teams have guys on payroll that do the same thing as Kiper so I always wondered if anyone ever listened to him.
Oct 13, 2010 12:38pm
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Oct 13, 2010 12:50 PM
sjmvsfscs08;518255 wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5678493

Clausen's agent was and is Gary Wichard. Luchs said when he went to Gary's operation they didn't pay people, so that makes me feel better about it. Clausen comes from an affluent family too, I think. So those signs point to no. Now, it does explain why Mel Kiper was livid about his draft status falling hahaha

EDIT: His father is an "insurance executive," according to an article. I doubt he needed extra cash.
+1 Kiper was furious and had Clausen above bradford didn't he?
Oct 13, 2010 12:50pm
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Oct 13, 2010 1:22 PM
Apparently in Kipers rant defending himself by mentioning players that he undervalued that were clients of Wichard, all the examples used were prior to 2005. Rather interesting, and apparently it's something ESPN is looking into.
Oct 13, 2010 1:22pm
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Oct 13, 2010 1:28 PM
Very interesting read here: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2010/10/12/1748041/is-mel-kiper-a-shill-for-agent-gary-wichard

Highlight:
But Clausen wasn't the only Wichard prospect in this draft class. The others were C.J. Spiller, Taylor Mays, Arrelious Benn, and Everson Griffen. All 4 made appearances on Kiper's Top 25 big board at some point leading up to draft day, although C.J. Spiller was the only one that made Kiper's April 14 big board. Kiper had Spiller ranked 8th - He was drafted 9th overall to the Bills, a move that was widely considered a reach by analysts. Interestingly, Kiper did a 2nd round mock draft after the 1st round of the 2010 draft had been completed, and here is where Kiper suggested Wichard's clients should be drafted, in order:

Kiper had Arrelious Benn being drafted 1st in the 2nd round (33rd overall) by the Rams. Benn would eventually be drafted by the Buccaneers at 37.

Kiper had Taylor Mays being drafted 2nd in the 2nd round (34th overall) by the Vikings. Mays would eventually be taken 49th overall by the 49ers.

Kiper had Jimmy Clausen being drafted 4th in the 2nd round (36th overall) by the Chiefs. As noted above, he went 48th to the Panthers.

Kiper had Everson Griffen being drafted 22nd in the 2nd round (54th overall) by the Bengals. He would eventually be drafted 100th overall, in the 4th round by Minnesota.
Oct 13, 2010 1:28pm
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Oct 13, 2010 4:45 PM
loving all the flack that kiper's taking for this.
Oct 13, 2010 4:45pm
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Oct 14, 2010 10:23 PM
That was awesome to read. I was also surprised about the Keyshawn not taking money part. The attitude at USC has for sure changed lol.
Oct 14, 2010 10:23pm
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Oct 14, 2010 10:31 PM
Luchs confirmed on Mike and Mike that it was not Santonio Holmes he was talking about
Oct 14, 2010 10:31pm
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Oct 14, 2010 10:33 PM
LJ;519900 wrote:Luchs confirmed on Mike and Mike that it was not Santonio Holmes he was talking about


Did he say who he meant?
Oct 14, 2010 10:33pm
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Oct 15, 2010 6:13 AM
j_crazy;518217 wrote:exaclty how i felt. i've always heard that kiper uses his "influence" on draft status to inflate guys into earlier rounds. now it would seem that he does it for kickbacks from the players' agents.

Maybe, but it's not like Kiper's opinions influence where players actually are drafted.
Oct 15, 2010 6:13am
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Oct 15, 2010 9:19 AM
LJ;519900 wrote:Luchs confirmed on Mike and Mike that it was not Santonio Holmes he was talking about

That's not what happened, I'm really surprised about how everyone is so mixed up on the Holmes comments. What is in print, is true, according to Luch's.

Before Luch's went on Mike and Mike, Golic made the comment that Santonio Holmes was one of the guys who accepted money from Luchs (obviously he didn't read the article). When Luchs went on the radio, he said, "I want to clear up one thing about Santonio Holmes...." His comments following that were not that he did have an interaction with Holmes, when Holmes advised him that he was "being taken care of", but to confirm to Mike and Mike that Holmes did not accept money from him, nor was it offered.
Oct 15, 2010 9:19am