Up 41-16 in the 4th quarter ... do you go for 2?

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Oct 11, 2010 4:49 PM
karen lotz;516216 wrote:Using the card as a reason/excuse makes it even more of a bitch move.

100% agree. That was uncalled for.
Oct 11, 2010 4:49pm
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Oct 11, 2010 5:13 PM
A lot of people made Jim Harbaugh out to be a hero when he went for 2 vs USC last season (48-21 score). Granted, Pete Carrol probably deserved it, but it's funny how the same situation is judged differently depending on the teams and coaches.

Woody Hayes went for 2 vs Michigan and everyone seems to love him for it.

I think people should get their panties out of a bunch. How about stopping the team from scoring?
Oct 11, 2010 5:13pm
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Oct 11, 2010 5:30 PM
I do whatever the card says..even if it makes no sense at all whatsoever.

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The dude who uses a card to try to pick red or black in roulette.
Oct 11, 2010 5:30pm
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Oct 11, 2010 5:36 PM
No, definately not. That being said, Brewster has more to worry about then getting an extra point put on his ass. And I am willing to bet, there is much more to the story then just the 2pt converstion. Probably somewhere in the cut throat recruiting area something happened.
Oct 11, 2010 5:36pm
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Oct 11, 2010 6:34 PM
like_that;516479 wrote:A lot of people made Jim Harbaugh out to be a hero when he went for 2 vs USC last season (28-21 score). Granted, Pete Carrol probably deserved it, but it's funny how the same situation is judged differently depending on the teams and coaches.
I understand your point but very different situations. Up 25 in the fourth quarter against a one-win Minnesota team vs. up 7 against a pretty good USC team.

I can't say I'm too much of a college football genius but I think I have a decent understanding of when to go for two. If you're up by two touchdowns or more, I think you always kick the extra point, to have more points for sure (very small chance you miss the extra point or it's blocked). If you're up by 1, 4, 5, 8, 9, 11, or 12, you go for two.
Oct 11, 2010 6:34pm
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Oct 11, 2010 6:44 PM
Leonardo;516546 wrote:I understand your point but very different situations. Up 25 in the fourth quarter against a one-win Minnesota team vs. up 7 against a pretty good USC team.

That was a typo. The score was 48-21.
Oct 11, 2010 6:44pm
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Oct 11, 2010 6:56 PM
like_that;516479 wrote: Woody Hayes went for 2 vs Michigan and everyone seems to love him for it.

I think people should get their panties out of a bunch. How about stopping the team from scoring?
You're spinning the Hayes thing a little bit here. Woody's quote when asked about why he went for two following the game was "Because we couldn't go for three." People (fans of the Buckeyes) loved that, because it was what (at least a part of it) made the OSU/Mich. rivalry what it is today. Not because he went for two against some team like Minnesota in this case. I know you have an axe to grind against OSU or their fans at least, but there needs to be a little perspective in this case.

Going for two here was pretty uncalled for. Fact.
Oct 11, 2010 6:56pm
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Oct 11, 2010 7:03 PM
Granted, Minnesota and Wisconsin are big rivals as well.
Oct 11, 2010 7:03pm
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Oct 11, 2010 7:11 PM
I don't see Bilema being any part of what their rivalry is though. I may be splitting hairs but it's just a little bit of a turd move in my book.
Oct 11, 2010 7:11pm
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Oct 11, 2010 7:51 PM
ytownfootball;516573 wrote:You're spinning the Hayes thing a little bit here. Woody's quote when asked about why he went for two following the game was "Because we couldn't go for three." People (fans of the Buckeyes) loved that, because it was what (at least a part of it) made the OSU/Mich. rivalry what it is today. Not because he went for two against some team like Minnesota in this case. I know you have an axe to grind against OSU or their fans at least, but there needs to be a little perspective in this case.

Going for two here was pretty uncalled for. Fact.

You are still pretty bitter about that I see. Try taking your own advice and put things into perspective. The purpose of my post wasn't to fluster you OSU fans, in fact I love the Woody Hayes quote. Harbaugh and Hayes came to mind immediately, because one was the most recent unnecessary 2 pt conversion attempt that I could think of and the other is the most popular, because of Woody's quote. My original point (as seen in my first post) is that the same situation is judged differently depending on the teams and coaches involved, which you made my point by discussing the OSU/Mich rivalry.
Oct 11, 2010 7:51pm
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Oct 11, 2010 7:59 PM
The more I think about it, Brewster gets the bigger "C'mon Man!" than Bielema.

The game was still in question (although highly unlikely Minny would come back - yet they scored quickly in their next possession). By griping Brewster is more or less throwing in the towel on his team. It isn't as if the score was 56-0 and they went for a meaningless two with a minute or so left. Brewster is pretty much admitting his team isn't in the same league (pun intended) as Wisky.
Oct 11, 2010 7:59pm
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Oct 11, 2010 8:25 PM
like_that;516629 wrote:You are still pretty bitter about that I see. Try taking your own advice and put things into perspective. The purpose of my post wasn't to fluster you OSU fans, in fact I love the Woody Hayes quote. Harbaugh and Hayes came to mind immediately, because one was the most recent unnecessary 2 pt conversion attempt that I could think of and the other is the most popular, because of Woody's quote. My original point (as seen in my first post) is that the same situation is judged differently depending on the teams and coaches involved, which you made my point by discussing the OSU/Mich rivalry.
Bitter? About a game between Wiscy and Minny? Not me bro. Though I agree about perception being reality to any number of groups, sociology 101.
The more I think about it, Brewster gets the bigger "C'mon Man!" than Bielema
I also agree with this. Brewster needs to take it into the locker room and build off it if he feels strongly about it. He needs to internalize this and use it as motivation instead of appearing as a crybaby publicly in my opinion.
Oct 11, 2010 8:25pm
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Oct 11, 2010 8:27 PM
FatHobbit;516221 wrote:I would be shocked if Tress did that.

I would not go for two. There was no reason that I know of to do that. (I could see doing it if the team had previously tried to run the score up on you, but I don't think that's the case here.)

Why....it's not like he hasn't run the score up before
Oct 11, 2010 8:27pm
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Oct 11, 2010 8:31 PM
Ty Webb;516677 wrote:Why....it's not like he hasn't run the score up before

Tressel wont be doing that, I can guarantee it.

Anyways, I thought the excuse was worse than the play.
Oct 11, 2010 8:31pm
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Oct 11, 2010 10:25 PM
ytownfootball;516672 wrote:Bitter? About a game between Wiscy and Minny? Not me bro. Though I agree about perception being reality to any number of groups, sociology 101.
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No, I was referring to me listing OSU fans in the "Fans you dislike" thread.
Oct 11, 2010 10:25pm
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Oct 11, 2010 11:11 PM
Oh, that. Lol...it does tend to polarize your comments in regard to things Ohio State no doubt, but not to the degree of bitterness. I can easily discern between trolls, trash talk and substantive discussion. Just so you know where we stand.
Oct 11, 2010 11:11pm
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Oct 12, 2010 2:02 AM
tcarrier32;516314 wrote:hold on...

the dude went for two based off a cheat sheet that almost every single coach in the NCAA used, and didn't even convert it. Yet half of this board is acting like they have all been personally hurt by this. Shut the hell up. It's a rivalry, and shit happens. OSU fans almost ejaculate when you mention Coach Hayes saying "Because they wouldnt let me go for three".

Yeah, its a little tacky to go for two in this instance, but shit happens and get the fuck over it. Brewster has a shit program and is a shit coach.
Though it was obviously a dick move and the "the card said so" excuse made it even more of a dick move, there had to have been SOMETHING behind it that provoked him to do it, I highly doubt it was on a whim. Since it is a rivalry, who knows what was going on behind the scenes.
Oct 12, 2010 2:02am
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Oct 12, 2010 7:05 AM
Do I go for two in that situation?

No.

Would I cry publicly about someone going for two against me in that situation? Hell no.

It's like saying, "We really suck so please don't beat up on us".

I'd keep my mouth shut and try and become a better coach.
Oct 12, 2010 7:05am
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Oct 12, 2010 7:59 AM
This kinda stuff is why CFB is 1Mx better than the f'n NFL. Rivalries are forever, not based on last year's trade. Beliema had his day in the sun and possibly Brewster might get his (although it prolly won't be at Minn ). But he endeared himself to millions of Whisky fans while at the same time reviling millions of Minny fans. Makes for great Monday morning water cooler chat.
Oct 12, 2010 7:59am
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Oct 12, 2010 11:06 AM
ytownfootball;516573 wrote:You're spinning the Hayes thing a little bit here. Woody's quote when asked about why he went for two following the game was "Because we couldn't go for three." People (fans of the Buckeyes) loved that, because it was what (at least a part of it) made the OSU/Mich. rivalry what it is today. Not because he went for two against some team like Minnesota in this case. I know you have an axe to grind against OSU or their fans at least, but there needs to be a little perspective in this case.

Going for two here was pretty uncalled for. Fact.

Actually Woody never called for the fake against Michigan, there was miss communication on the field after the score and there was not enough players on the field. The players knew they were screwing up and ran the play on their own. The now famous quote never appeared in the newspapers after the game. Some say Woody said it at a booster meeting some years later. He may of said it as a joke but the story is not true.
Oct 12, 2010 11:06am
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Oct 12, 2010 11:43 AM
The Bo / Woody situation was totally different. Different era's, coaches had bitterness between them and both programs were legitimate programs. Piling on a program that is down and has been down is a little extreme.

The Hairball going for two with Stanford was and "attitude" adjustment for his program against the mighty Trojans.
Oct 12, 2010 11:43am
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Oct 12, 2010 1:32 PM
ytownfootball;516573 wrote:People (fans of the Buckeyes) loved that, because it was what (at least a part of it) made the OSU/Mich. rivalry what it is today. Not because he went for two against some team like Minnesota in this case. I know you have an axe to grind against OSU or their fans at least, but there needs to be a little perspective in this case.
If going for two was okay for Ohio State to do against its rival, then I think it's probably okay for Wisconsin to do against its rival.
Oct 12, 2010 1:32pm
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Oct 12, 2010 1:55 PM
fan_from_texas;517388 wrote:If going for two was okay for Ohio State to do against its rival, then I think it's probably okay for Wisconsin to do against its rival.

Fair enough, but if it really happened at least Woody took full responsibility for it and didn't try to blame the play card. It's one thing to say "I hate that guy and I want to beat them as bad as we can." and something completely different to do it and then push the blame off on a play card.
Oct 12, 2010 1:55pm
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Oct 12, 2010 4:27 PM
Out of line . I was ready to get on here and kiss our Buckeyes perfect season goodbye but after that BS with Wisconsin ,look for a major beatdown by the Buckeyes this week . We will defend Minnesota's honor. Go Bucks . Kick that field goal with 2 min left and up by 30
Oct 12, 2010 4:27pm
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Oct 12, 2010 6:15 PM
I don't know much about MN-WI's recent history - did Minnie do something untoward with Wisconsin in the last couple of years?

There are some circumstances in which doing this would be justified ( I would have done to Miami just because of all the whining they did over the past several years about the NC game). But, generally - no.
Oct 12, 2010 6:15pm