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iclfan2

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Oct 6, 2010 1:50 AM
I feel bad, but the rules are the rules. Nobody bends them for me, so I don't feel bad when they knew the consequences ahead of time.
Oct 5, 2010 9:50pm
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Zombaypirate

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Oct 6, 2010 1:57 AM
derek bomar;507743 wrote:http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/Firefighters-watch-as-home-burns-to-the-ground-104052668.html

part of me thinks the people shoulda paid the fee...but the other part of me is kinda irked that the firefighters actually wouldn't put out a fire...much like Natalie Imbruglia, I'm torn.

Idiotic policy. Should have been worded like this. You have the option to pay $75.00 for fire protection, however if you choose to not accept we must PROTECT the other homes and you will be billed $3000.00 if your home must be put out and you are not part of the program.

People and community need to be first. This is where a Republican county fails miserably.
Oct 5, 2010 9:57pm
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Fab1b

The Bald A-Hole!!

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Oct 6, 2010 2:01 AM
^Keep the politics out of it. Well you know what I am saying, it is political I am sure the reason they have to pay but don't attack either party here, it was the homeowner's fault for not paying!
Oct 5, 2010 10:01pm
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Glory Days

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Oct 6, 2010 3:14 AM
Zombaypirate;508714 wrote:Idiotic policy. Should have been worded like this. You have the option to pay $75.00 for fire protection, however if you choose to not accept we must PROTECT the other homes and you will be billed $3000.00 if your home must be put out and you are not part of the program.

People and community need to be first. This is where a Republican county fails miserably.
what happens when they dont pay you $3,000? do you get to burn their next house down?

but of course, blame the policy, not the idiots who didnt pay $75.
Oct 5, 2010 11:14pm
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Zombaypirate

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Oct 6, 2010 10:05 AM
Glory Days;508846 wrote:what happens when they dont pay you $3,000? do you get to burn their next house down?

but of course, blame the policy, not the idiots who didnt pay $75.

Garnish wages keep tax returns etc. You do not endanger others property, protecting people and property should be of first concern.

The policy is idiotic and put others and their properties in danger.
Oct 6, 2010 6:05am
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Fly4Fun

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Oct 6, 2010 11:13 AM
The fire department should have definitely attempted to put out the fire. I doubt the fire department would have trouble receiving restitution or restitution on a realiance level of recovery in this situation. Argue a contract implied at law (quasi-contract) and go from there.

This would be akin to a doctor seeing an person being injured severely and knocked unconscious and unable to agree to a contract for service of medical aid. But a contract can be implied at law and the Dr. can recover monetary award for the value of the benefit received (restitution) or the normal compensation of his services (restitution at reliance level).

Heck, even in this situation the guy was there, I'm sure they could come to a quick verbal agreement regarding some kind of fee.

This is completely ridiculous on the fire department's part assuming there is not more to the story.
Oct 6, 2010 7:13am
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Glory Days

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Oct 6, 2010 8:01 PM
Zombaypirate;508948 wrote:Garnish wages keep tax returns etc. You do not endanger others property, protecting people and property should be of first concern.

The policy is idiotic and put others and their properties in danger.

the policy is known to the public who live there. idiotic or not it comes down to personal responsibility for their actions(or inactions in this case). people seem to think they can always be the exception.

I wonder how long this policy has been in place for?
Oct 6, 2010 4:01pm
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CenterBHSFan

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6,115 posts
Oct 7, 2010 12:41 PM
I was wondering if the insurance company would cover costs:

the Cranicks have received several thousand dollars from the insurance company to cover immediate costs and that plans have been made to cover all damage and property losses.
Oct 7, 2010 8:41am
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se-alum

The Biggest Boss

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Oct 7, 2010 1:33 PM
Glory Days;509521 wrote:the policy is known to the public who live there. idiotic or not it comes down to personal responsibility for their actions(or inactions in this case). people seem to think they can always be the exception.

I wonder how long this policy has been in place for?
People shouldn't be held responsible for their actions!! I mean, the guy had a big decision to make, either pay $75 to protect your home from fire or don't pay the fee and let your house burn to the ground! Talk about tough decisions!! We, as a people, should bail out ignorance!!!

On a serious note, it would take me about 2 seconds to make the decision to pay the $75.
Oct 7, 2010 9:33am
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Fab4Runner

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Oct 7, 2010 1:35 PM
How is it bailing them out if they would end up paying far more to have the fire put out? They're still being held responsible just in a different way.
Oct 7, 2010 9:35am
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mhs95_06

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Oct 7, 2010 2:17 PM
So is the database that shows who paid and who didn't made available to the insurance companies who insure the homes in the area outside of South Fulton so they can adjust the individual homeowners fire insurance rates based on whether or not they paid the $75 subscription fee? The insurance companies are falling asleep at the switch if they do not have separate rate structures for the paid and unpaid. I wonder if the difference is greater than $75?
Oct 7, 2010 10:17am
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se-alum

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Oct 7, 2010 2:21 PM
Fab4Runner;510360 wrote:How is it bailing them out if they would end up paying far more to have the fire put out? They're still being held responsible just in a different way.
It's bailing out blatant ignorance by allowing them to be responsible after the fact. Honestly, if you were given the option to pay $75 for fire protection or risk the chance of your house burning down, how long would it take you to make that decision?? Also, I'm sure that $75 is used to help fund the FD, these people not paying could possibly risk the lives of their neighbors if the FD is not funded properly. Now if you let them get away with paying after the fact, nobody pays the $75 and the FD is underfunded because you're spending years in the legal/insurance system trying to recover restitution for a fire 3 years ago. It was ignorant and irresponsible of these people not to pay the money.
Oct 7, 2010 10:21am
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Glory Days

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Oct 7, 2010 7:55 PM
Not only that, but what happens if equipment or god forbid a fire fighter is hurt or killed putting out a fire outside their jurisidiction? what if their insurance or whatever doesnt cover them for that?
Oct 7, 2010 3:55pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Oct 7, 2010 8:07 PM
se-alum;510402 wrote:It's bailing out blatant ignorance by allowing them to be responsible after the fact. Honestly, if you were given the option to pay $75 for fire protection or risk the chance of your house burning down, how long would it take you to make that decision?? Also, I'm sure that $75 is used to help fund the FD, these people not paying could possibly risk the lives of their neighbors if the FD is not funded properly. Now if you let them get away with paying after the fact, nobody pays the $75 and the FD is underfunded because you're spending years in the legal/insurance system trying to recover restitution for a fire 3 years ago. It was ignorant and irresponsible of these people not to pay the money.

I agree with most of this, if we were talking about private companies that compete with each other to put out fires, but that isn't the case here. It appears to be a public service department, that didn't perform its public service.
Oct 7, 2010 4:07pm
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clickclickboom

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Oct 7, 2010 9:57 PM
PAY THE DAMN FEE!!! you cant just dodge it for years thinkin nothins gunna happen to your house.. if they woulda put out the fire noone would pay the fee anymore
Oct 7, 2010 5:57pm
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Glory Days

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Oct 7, 2010 10:19 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;510824 wrote:I agree with most of this, if we were talking about private companies that compete with each other to put out fires, but that isn't the case here. It appears to be a public service department, that didn't perform its public service.

a public service department for the City of South Fulton, not somewhere 30 miles outside the city, not covered by the tax payers of South Fulton.
Oct 7, 2010 6:19pm
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WebFire

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Oct 8, 2010 7:07 PM
Glory Days;510930 wrote:a public service department for the City of South Fulton, not somewhere 30 miles outside the city, not covered by the tax payers of South Fulton.

Right. They don't owe anything except to the people who pay taxes to the town they are funded by.
Oct 8, 2010 3:07pm