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ernest_t_bass

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Sep 30, 2010 11:44 AM
What are your views on abortion? For me, I think it depends on when you see life as life. The only time I think that I would be FOR abortion is if the woman was raped.
Sep 30, 2010 11:44am
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CenterBHSFan

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Sep 30, 2010 12:31 PM
I'm against it, but with amendments. I think there are circumstances with cases of medical issues as an example.
This is not a cut and dried issue with me.

I am AGAINST abortion as a method of birth control, to be more specific. There is no free will an embryo/fetus/baby can employ here. Other people placed them there and to assume that they are perpatrators is folly.
Sep 30, 2010 12:31pm
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Sep 30, 2010 12:35 PM
CenterBHSFan;502340 wrote:I'm against it, but with amendments. I think there are circumstances with cases of medical issues as an example.
This is not a cut and dried issue with me.

I am AGAINST abortion as a method of birth control, to be more specific. There is no free will an embryo/fetus/baby can employ here. Other people placed them there and to assume that they are perpatrators is folly.
Basically this. If you're raped or the mother will have complications from the pregnancy, then sure. But if you get knocked up and just don't want it, you shouldn't be allowed to scramble the egg so to speak. Put it up for adoption if you don't want it. People need to learn there are consequences for their actions. Having unprotected sex with someone who isn't on the pill or has an STD can and usually does lead to an unwanted result...
Sep 30, 2010 12:35pm
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Con_Alma

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Sep 30, 2010 12:41 PM
Against. Can't think of an instance when I would be for it.
Sep 30, 2010 12:41pm
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Sep 30, 2010 12:43 PM
CenterBHSFan;502340 wrote:I'm against it, but with amendments. I think there are circumstances with cases of medical issues as an example.
This is not a cut and dried issue with me.

I am AGAINST abortion as a method of birth control, to be more specific. There is no free will an embryo/fetus/baby can employ here. Other people placed them there and to assume that they are perpatrators is folly.

I am in 100% agreement with you on this Center.....If your raped or it can kill the mother,then I'm all for it...but not if a 16 year old gets knocked and decides they dont want to be a mommy yet

I will say though....the people would would let their wives die instead of having an abortion are fucking loons who need to get their values in check
Sep 30, 2010 12:43pm
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Sep 30, 2010 12:46 PM
Ty Webb;502359 wrote:I am in 100% agreement with you on this Center.....

Excuse me while I pass out.... :D
Sep 30, 2010 12:46pm
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Sep 30, 2010 12:47 PM
CenterBHSFan;502360 wrote:Excuse me while I pass out.... :D

Your excused!;)
Sep 30, 2010 12:47pm
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Sep 30, 2010 12:57 PM
For. Pretty ridiculous that a human is NOT allowed to remove a parasite from its body. Now, as the baby surpasses a certain stage, say the 1st, then no abortions should be allowed. It's kind of a hard issue to legislate, but I'll take science over any of the crap religion is spewing these days.
Sep 30, 2010 12:57pm
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Sep 30, 2010 12:58 PM
I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it. I'm not entirely sure when life begins or really what even makes life significant. There are millions of sperm inside me that die because I have not given them the opportunity to fertilize an egg. They aren't technically alive and I don't lose any sleep about it. I'm not convinced a fertilized egg is all that alive and I won't really lose any sleep over one that doesn't take. But I do think there comes a point before the baby is born where it is alive and it's not ok to kill it. If someone else feels differently, I hope they can live with their decision and I don't want to have to hear them complain about how they made a poor choice later.
Sep 30, 2010 12:58pm
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Sep 30, 2010 12:59 PM
For those that say abortion is murder...do you also believe that masterbation is murder??
Sep 30, 2010 12:59pm
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Con_Alma

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Sep 30, 2010 1:00 PM
Did someone say it was murder? I gotta go back and look.

Is there anyone here who think it's murder?
Sep 30, 2010 1:00pm
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Sep 30, 2010 1:02 PM
Ty Webb;502372 wrote:For those that say abortion is murder...do you also believe that masterbation is murder??

Kind of a difference there chief. Egg and sperm vs. just sperm.

I'm agnostic on it. I really don't have an opinion on the issue strongly either way. I see the merits of both sides and punt my opinion to whatever the status quo is.
Sep 30, 2010 1:02pm
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Sep 30, 2010 1:04 PM
Con_Alma;502374 wrote:Is there anyone here who think it's murder?

I think it could be.
Sep 30, 2010 1:04pm
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Sep 30, 2010 1:05 PM
Con_Alma;502374 wrote:Did someone say it was murder? I gotta go back and look.

Is there anyone here who think it's murder?

Didn't say anyone said it here....but there are some here who have before
Sep 30, 2010 1:05pm
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Con_Alma

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Sep 30, 2010 1:06 PM
It's possible but without knowing the individuals knowledge and intent there's really no way to know.
Sep 30, 2010 1:06pm
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Sep 30, 2010 1:07 PM
Ty Webb;502384 wrote:Didn't say anyone said it here....but there are some here who have before

...nor did I state that you did but rather I asked if anyone had.
Sep 30, 2010 1:07pm
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Sep 30, 2010 1:07 PM
Speaking at a scientific level, an embryo or a fetus is "life". A stick of chewing gum is not "life".
Sep 30, 2010 1:07pm
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Sep 30, 2010 1:34 PM
FatHobbit;502371 wrote:I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it. I'm not entirely sure when life begins or really what even makes life significant. There are millions of sperm inside me that die because I have not given them the opportunity to fertilize an egg. They aren't technically alive and I don't lose any sleep about it. I'm not convinced a fertilized egg is all that alive and I won't really lose any sleep over one that doesn't take. But I do think there comes a point before the baby is born where it is alive and it's not ok to kill it. If someone else feels differently, I hope they can live with their decision and I don't want to have to hear them complain about how they made a poor choice later.
Pretty much how I feel.
Sep 30, 2010 1:34pm
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Sep 30, 2010 1:48 PM
Only one place where you can draw a firm line , and that is at conception. Anything else is just 'an opinion' as to when life begins.

As a secular society, I think there is a place for allowance in cases of rape, incest or danger to the mother. I don't think this is necessarily a religious issue in that universal law dictates that we should care for the helpless among us.

Murder?...that's a legal definition, and I would not characterize anyone who has had a legal abortion a 'murderer'.
Would I be FOR legislation that would make it a crime?.....YES.
Sep 30, 2010 1:48pm
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Sep 30, 2010 1:51 PM
For it. I'd go so far as to make it retroactive in many cases.
Sep 30, 2010 1:51pm
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Sep 30, 2010 2:01 PM
fish82;502435 wrote:For it. I'd go so far as to make it retroactive in many cases.

Indeed!
Sep 30, 2010 2:01pm
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Sep 30, 2010 2:11 PM
I am for the rusty coathanger method, but against the pushing down the steps method.
Sep 30, 2010 2:11pm
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Sep 30, 2010 2:24 PM
What about the right straight to the body method?
Sep 30, 2010 2:24pm
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Sep 30, 2010 2:45 PM
I am strongly pro-abortion. There are way too many people on this planet. Most scientists agree that the planet can only hold about two billion people. We already have almost seven billion with no end in sight. Scrooge once commented on cutting down on the surplus population. We are all surplus population from the planet's point of view. You are, I am, we all are. If it takes abortion to get rid of some of the excess people, then so be it.
Sep 30, 2010 2:45pm
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fan_from_texas

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Sep 30, 2010 3:00 PM
Con_Alma;502356 wrote:Against. Can't think of an instance when I would be for it.

What about in a situation where the mother and baby will both die, absent intervention? I'm okay with saying that we don't need to kill both of them just to make a point. Short of that, however, I think I'm anti-abortion, even in cases of rape and incest.
Sep 30, 2010 3:00pm