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Short but accurate article. I don't care where your politics lie, this is the dumbest piece of legislation that has ever been passed. The DEMS need to take this one on the chin, they didn't read the bill they passed, it contained an incredibly stupid provision (you can't understate how stupid it is), and appear to be to proud to do the right thing and repeal it.

Crazy. Vote them all out.

Not going to happen.....

The right things for Republicans??

The ENTIRE piece of [garbage] legislation needs to be repealed immediately upon the conservative takeover of congress following the November '10 elections. It is the WORST bill ever passed in US history.

Heard the vote won't be conducted - didn't get the 60 votes for debate. I'll post a link if I can find one. Unbelievable.

Manhattan Buckeye;483788 wrote:Heard the vote won't be conducted - didn't get the 60 votes for debate. I'll post a link if I can find one. Unbelievable.

Have patience. Time is on the side of the repealers, not the supporters.

BTW - the Dems are not even mentioning this historic piece of legislation in their re-election propaganda. I wonder why?

The President's opposition to a clean repeal shows the hollowness of his alleged support for small business, which he expresses at every campaign stop but is less a priority than preserving his health-care legacy.

The larger political story here is that ObamaCare is already under bipartisan siege—and in the same Congress that passed it.

That's very interesting to me. Let's see if they can sustain it.

Manhattan Buckeye;483648 wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703897204575488272691514074.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStories

Short but accurate article. I don't care where your politics lie, this is the dumbest piece of legislation that has ever been passed. The DEMS need to take this one on the chin, they didn't read the bill they passed, it contained an incredibly stupid provision (you can't understate how stupid it is), and appear to be to proud to do the right thing and repeal it.

Crazy. Vote them all out.

I received 1099's for many years from large chemical plants that I did business with. Very annoying and not at all needed, IMO. Why these companies felt the need to report my gross sales with their respective companies made no sense to me. This present legislation blows.

Large companies may do it regularly because they have the infrastructure in place - small businesses don't. Even though attorneys fees are supposed to be reported via the IRC (there is a "slight" disagreement on this), in my experience smaller clients never ask for a W-9...the company line in the past is if they don't ask, we don't provide.

But even big companies will have to deal with this - every gas station fill up will require getting a W-9/TIN. This will be an avalanche of paperwork.

This Public Servant Obama Agenda is as far from supporting small business. Obama and his butt buddies are all about Unions and screw the small business.
Wake up America your Public Servant is a Socialist ....

Manhattan Buckeye;484035 wrote:But even big companies will have to deal with this - every gas station fill up will require getting a W-9/TIN. This will be an avalanche of paperwork.

Yes which means more expansion of overpaid, high-benefits government sector jobs to account for it all. Big Government...Don't leave home without it.

Unbelievable...this administration is attacking small business at every level. It is either part of a disingenuous agenda or they are completely clueless. Why anyone would be a party to this is absurd.

HitsRus;484629 wrote:Unbelievable...this administration is attacking small business at every level. It is either part of a disingenuous agenda or they are completely clueless. Why anyone would be a party to this is absurd.

"It is either part of a disingenuos agenda..." Correct

"Why anyone would be a party to this..." Because they are marxists.

QuakerOats;484714 wrote:"It is either part of a disingenuos agenda..." Correct

"Why anyone would be a party to this..." Because they are marxists.

Ohhhhhh using the buzzword marxist, nice.

I was against the final version and it was the worst case of partisan, dumbing down I've seen in a long time. Does it need repealed? Probably not. Instead, if/ when R's take the House, they need to focus their time on other issues, like the economy, the budget, Medicare, SS, etc. and not living in the past.

Because if they want to repeal it, that would take the Senate, and with the Senate rules, that is never going to happen. Thus, R's, when you take the House, spend your time elsewhere.

Also, on another note, if the R's take the House, I fully expect them, within a month or two, to have full plans and policies and to work with the President on issues. I don't want a repeat of 2004 and 2006 where the R's just say screw you D's and try and do their own thing.

ptown_trojans_1;484738 wrote:Ohhhhhh using the buzzword marxist, nice.

I was against the final version and it was the worst case of partisan, dumbing down I've seen in a long time. Does it need repealed? Probably not. Instead, if/ when R's take the House, they need to focus their time on other issues, like the economy, the budget, Medicare, SS, etc. and not living in the past.

Because if they want to repeal it, that would take the Senate, and with the Senate rules, that is never going to happen. Thus, R's, when you take the House, spend your time elsewhere.

Also, on another note, if the R's take the House, I fully expect them, within a month or two, to have full plans and policies and to work with the President on issues. I don't want a repeat of 2004 and 2006 where the R's just say screw you D's and try and do their own thing.

I think the Repub tactic is to take it apart line-by-line, as they have started with the egregious IRS 1099 provisions. You are correct in that it would be very difficult to repeal it en masse. However, the will of the people is against this monstrosity, so don't dismiss it as impossible as long as the people do not want it. Now that people are actually reading it and implementing plans to deal with it, ObamaKare is not more popular than it was before....just the opposite.

If the Repub's think they have a mandate from the November 2 election, they will indeed say "screw the D's" and do their own thing. Especially if they get over 50 seats as is being predicted today.

BGFalcons82;484779 wrote:I think the Repub tactic is to take it apart line-by-line, as they have started with the egregious IRS 1099 provisions. You are correct in that it would be very difficult to repeal it en masse. However, the will of the people is against this monstrosity, so don't dismiss it as impossible as long as the people do not want it. Now that people are actually reading it and implementing plans to deal with it, ObamaKare is not more popular than it was before....just the opposite.

If the Repub's think they have a mandate from the November 2 election, they will indeed say "screw the D's" and do their own thing. Especially if they get over 50 seats as is being predicted today.

Don't be so sure that the R's win is a mandate. Remember, the D's in 2006 thought this too. Look what it got them. I also highly doubt it would even fly in the Senate.
Where is the 50 number coming in? I heard on Morning Joe that Rove said last night said that the R takeover of the Senate was pretty much dead.

ptown_trojans_1;484738 wrote:Also, on another note, if the R's take the House, I fully expect them, within a month or two, to have full plans and policies and to work with the President on issues. I don't want a repeat of 2004 and 2006 where the R's just say screw you D's and try and do their own thing.

...in the same manner as the D's did in 2008 and 2010?

believer;485165 wrote:...in the same manner as the D's did in 2008 and 2010?

Yeah, that too. 2006 was meant for the D's as well, 2002 and 2004 were the R's.

BGFalcons82;484779 wrote:I think the Repub tactic is to take it apart line-by-line, as they have started with the egregious IRS 1099 provisions. You are correct in that it would be very difficult to repeal it en masse. However, the will of the people is against this monstrosity, so don't dismiss it as impossible as long as the people do not want it. Now that people are actually reading it and implementing plans to deal with it, ObamaKare is not more popular than it was before....just the opposite.

If the Repub's think they have a mandate from the November 2 election, they will indeed say "screw the D's" and do their own thing. Especially if they get over 50 seats as is being predicted today.

If BHO and the Dems didn't have a mandate in 2008 (which they did not), the GOP certainly does not now. America hates both parties too much to give either of them a mandate.

BoatShoes;485254 wrote:If BHO and the Dems didn't have a mandate in 2008 (which they did not), the GOP certainly does not now. America hates both parties too much to give either of them a mandate.

On this we can agree...

BoatShoes;485254 wrote:If BHO and the Dems didn't have a mandate in 2008 (which they did not), the GOP certainly does not now. America hates both parties too much to give either of them a mandate.

Let's play a little "what if" game.

What if the Republicans win 65 seats, which is the highest I've heard in play to date? Wouldn't that be a mandate to stop the Obama Express?

What if the Republicans win 40 seats, just enough to make Boehner Speaker of the House? Is that a win for Democrats since the bloodletting wouldn't be as large as anticipated? If you agree this is good news for Democrats, then you are essentially stating losing the house by near historic proportions is a win.

What if the Republicans fail to win 39 more seats, however they win enough to make the House of Representatives more like the Senate, in that legislation will not race through it like Montezuma's Revenge?

Take a hack at 'em. Personally, I think if the Republicans gain 50+ seats, it is indeed a mandate against everything Obama/Reid/Pelosi have been championing and gridlock is certainly returning...thank goodness.

BGFalcons82;485448 wrote:Personally, I think if the Republicans gain 50+ seats, it is indeed a mandate against everything Obama/Reid/Pelosi have been championing and gridlock is certainly returning...thank goodness.

Well if there is a Republican "mandate" it would only be for gridlock. Gridlock is a far, far better scenario than the profound stupidity we've been witnessing the past couple of years. When Big Government slows down its own growth, it's generally a very, very good thing.

Quite frankly I can't wait to listen to the Anointed One boo-hoo to anyone who listens how the eeeeeevil Republicans are saying no to everything. No wait....he already is!