ytownfootball;475319 wrote:Uhh, no jordo...it is you and your ilk who believe they deserve a shot because of the recent bowl history spread over the last 5-6 years. The quotes around storied emphasized how silly that notion appears. It's what you do in ONE given season, not over the last few seasons. Sorry getting up for one game and being able to sit your starters for nearly half the season and still remain unbeaten won't cut it in my book.

Style points mean something to AP voters, voters in the Harris and certainly the coaches poll won't be swayed into that nearly as much. Boise shouldn't even be at the kids table let alone requesting to carve the bird.

Why should that even be an argument though? The national championship game is exactly that, getting up for one game. Its not like its a round robin, survival of the fittest event. The whole season isn't a "national championship season", its a "national championship game". All schools know what they need to do at the beginning of the season, the best they can do is take care of business and let the cards fall where they lay under the current system. We know Boise State can play, they have proven it over and over again. Shouldn't the National Championship Game be about matching the two best teams up?

Simple answer is the teams that get up every damn week, week in week out, sustain injuries, overcome them and still manage to win deserve it more, a lot more, than a team that can essentially paint their toenails and pop blackheads on the sidelines while playing the sisters of the fucking poor.

ytownfootball;475319 wrote:Uhh, no jordo...it is you and your ilk who believe they deserve a shot because of the recent bowl history spread over the last 5-6 years. The quotes around storied emphasized how silly that notion appears. It's what you do in ONE given season, not over the last few seasons. Sorry getting up for one game and being able to sit your starters for nearly half the season and still remain unbeaten won't cut it in my book.

Style points mean something to AP voters, voters in the Harris and certainly the coaches poll won't be swayed into that nearly as much. Boise shouldn't even be at the kids table let alone requesting to carve the bird.

This makes no sense. Boise played great on the road, in a hostile environment with all the pressure on them.
If they blow out the rest of their competition by 30+ points, which I think they will, they are number 3 or even 2 in my view.

ptown_trojans_1;475350 wrote:This makes no sense. Boise played great on the road, in a hostile environment with all the pressure on them.
If they blow out the rest of their competition by 30+ points, which I think they will, they are number 3 or even 2 in my view.

I've said all I can really say on the subject, they played a great game, on the road and pulled it out, the problem lies in not having to get up again but once for middle of the road pac-10 Oregon State, then a bowl game. Their opponent (other than TCU) in that bowl game won't have that luxury.

ptown_trojans_1;475350 wrote:This makes no sense. Boise played great on the road, in a hostile environment with all the pressure on them.
If they blow out the rest of their competition by 30+ points, which I think they will, they are number 3 or even 2 in my view.

You know, it really doesn't make sense to me either. Va Tech came in to this matchup with as much rest as Boise State. They didn't play Miami (Fl.), North Carolina, and Georgia Tech in the three weeks coming in to this game. They weren't looking past Boise, since Boise is a top 5 team...and Virginia Tech plays James Madison and East Carolina in the next two weeks, so yeah they were focused on Boise State. And Boise State still beat them. I don't understand why these guys just look at Boise State and say "well yeah, they are a really good team...but because they don't play anyone they aren't worthy of playing for a national title". Come on, Boise State is a damn good football team. They have lots of talent. They just beat a top 10 team on the road. Once again the goal of the national title game is to matchup the two best teams in football, right? Its not like this whole "battle-tested" strategy has paid off all the time in the past, there have been some completely uncompetitive NC games (OSU in 2006, 2007, OU in 2004). They may have been "deserving" of a trip to the NC game according to their season but they sure looked like they didn't belong there when it came to the actual game.

ptown_trojans_1;475350 wrote:This makes no sense. Boise played great on the road, in a hostile environment with all the pressure on them.
If they blow out the rest of their competition by 30+ points, which I think they will, they are number 3 or even 2 in my view.

My god, they aren't the only team who has ever won a tough game on the road. USC beat Ohio State last year in Columbus. Were you ready to call off the rest of the season and put USC in the title game? They had to play out their schedule and lost several games. How many WAC teams do you think would've beaten them? Zero. You just don't know what is going to happen over a twelve game season when you are playing at a certain level.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what you'd be saying if any top team...or any horrible team...switched conferences to the WAC or Sun Belt and went undefeated every year. Would you talk about how Vanderbilt or Baylor deserve title shots? Would you talk about how great Florida or Texas are for beating everyone by 50 points? I'd say you'd talk about how Vanderbilt and Baylor could never win more than 2 games against an entire schedule of BCS teams and how Florida and Texas should have been playing better competition all season. So why does one game go so far for Boise State?

What exactly about physical and mental stress of playing a tough schedule are you having trouble with? Because Boise State doesn't know either.

The validity of the "well Boise State can beat these teams because they can rest before they play these teams and have no injuries" argument seems to lacking. The last two matchups Boise has had were both big games (TCU, Va Tech). TCU had a ton of time to get healthy/prepare and Va Tech had the whole offseason to "heal up" for Boise and Boise still beat them.

jordo212000;475416 wrote:The validity of the "well Boise State can beat these teams because they can rest before they play these teams and have no injuries" argument seems to lacking. The last two matchups Boise has had were both big games (TCU, Va Tech). TCU had a ton of time to get healthy/prepare and Va Tech had the whole offseason to "heal up" for Boise and Boise still beat them.

I don't think you are getting that point. It is more the fact that now Boise State doesn't have to do it again. Most other teams will go through an 8-9 week stretch where they are playing teams who are at a certain level with a certain depth that doesn't exist in Boise State's world.

enigmaax;475420 wrote:I don't think you are getting that point. It is more the fact that now Boise State doesn't have to do it again. Most other teams will go through an 8-9 week stretch where they are playing teams who are at a certain level with a certain depth that doesn't exist in Boise State's world.

Like Trep has said, let's not pretend the ACC is playing VA Tech every single week. There are plenty of cupcakes in each conference. (Duke, Vandy, Maryland, Virginia). BCS schools have plenty of opportunity to "rest" their guys. Heck Tress gets criticized all the time for calling off the dogs early.

jordo212000;475429 wrote:Like Trep has said, let's not pretend the ACC is playing VA Tech every single week. There are plenty of cupcakes in each conference. (Duke, Vandy, Maryland, Virginia). BCS schools have plenty of opportunity to "rest" their guys. Heck Tress gets criticized all the time for calling off the dogs early.

No need to pretend anything. Compare the records of WAC teams versus each level and then BCS teams...even the worst. Even the worst BCS teams will beat good WAC and Sun Belt teams at an overwhelming rate.

Even after this game I'm still not on the Boise Bandwagon. Beating VT is not a benchmark for them to use to say they belong. The ACC is overrated anyway. This makes their record against BCS teams now what 7-7 I think? Great job, with a pace like that they'd finish middle of the pack in a BCS conference. I guess the bright side of this game for Buckeye fans is that all we have to do now is win out and we're golden because we'll probably be playing Boise in the title game.

You know I have been thinking about this Boise State team and we are talking about that they dont belong. If Boise State was in one of the Major Conferences, they would get top tear recruits, and they could compete in a Major Conf. Honestly I really don't know if anyone should want to play Boise State. I sure know I would be scared if the Buckeyes had to travel to the Blue Turf every other year. I really think Christ Peterson, is one of the best coaches in College football and will do whatever it takes to win. I am not jumping on the Broncos bandwagon but in the past couple of years, Boise State has showed up to play in big games. If Boise is one of 2 teams to run the season with a perfect record why not give them a chance to play for the National Title. Im a Buckeyes fan but I know it would not be no 41-14 ass kicking we took from the Gators.

And Yes I know yesterday I said they don't belong.

If it were Boise and OSU in the championship, i would be legitimatley scared. Boise is CLUTCH, and seems like OSU chokes in most big games recently

ytownfootball;475347 wrote:Simple answer is the teams that get up every damn week, week in week out, sustain injuries, overcome them and still manage to win deserve it more, a lot more, than a team that can essentially paint their toenails and pop blackheads on the sidelines while playing the sisters of the fucking poor.

Dude come on. Yeah, most middle of the pack and lower end BCS teams could beat most WAC teams. But that doesn't mean that it is a battle week in and week out in BCS conference play for national championship contenders. OSU isn't tested every week in the Big 10 and that is a fact. They can rest their starters against a good bit of teams in the league and coast just fine. The starters routinely sit out the 4th quarter in games against Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Michigan State, Northwestern (I know its a program on the rise, but OSU still smacks them around most years they play), Purdue (I know they beat OSU last year, but that was about as flukish as you can get...and Purdue went 1-1 against the MAC last year fyi). The only conference games OSU really needs to crack down in are Iowa, Wisky, Penn State, and Michigan (even when they are down, you know its a rivalry game and Michigan will go all in).

Really the only argument (and I can see the point you guys bring up, I really can) is that Boise State has less opportunities to trip up in conference play than a team like OSU or Texas or Florida or Bama or whoever else. But is that really a good reason to automatically disqualify them from the NC game? Shouldn't the NC game be about getting the two best teams on the field? Boise sure has looked like they are one of the best teams in the nation. If they win out, I think we should reward them as such. That is the difference between the Baylors and Vandys of the world and the likes of Boise State, Utah, and TCU. Yes, Baylor and Vandy may fare well in the WAC or MWC or Sun Belt. But they would still get smacked around like rag-dolls by the non-conference BCS teams they play, much like they do now. When is the last time a Baylor or Vandy beat an Alabama, Oregon, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, or similar team? Meanwhile Boise State, Utah, and TCU routinely beat the pants off of the BCS conference teams they play. These teams have established a certain level of success over the past few years, its not like they are coming out of complete nowhere and expecting to get respect. And like I said, its not like the whole "this team is deserving because they were tested a couple of times a year in their conference" method has been foolproof. There have been some BCS NC games that have been completely lopsided where one team looked like it had no business being there whatsoever, despite having played a "tough" schedule to get there.