karen lotz;468366 wrote:Outside Indiana and Purdue no. You just proved my point. Everyone on here is saying OSU/Michigan is the biggest rivalry in sports, and to them it may be true. But the rest of the country doesn't feel the same way. Each team has a rivalry that to them, is the most important.

karen lotz;468366 wrote:Outside Indiana and Purdue no. You just proved my point. Everyone on here is saying OSU/Michigan is the biggest rivalry in sports, and to them it may be true. But the rest of the country doesn't feel the same way. Each team has a rivalry that to them, is the most important.

mallymal614;468361 wrote:So let me get this straight, say both Ohio State and Michigan are undefeated heading into their final game. Both teams has their division locked up so they KNOW they will play each other again in the Big Ten championship the following week. So now they would have to beat the same team twice, back to back weeks, in order to play for a National Championship?

the_system;468405 wrote:Yes it could happen. As dominant as OSU and Michigan have been throughout the history of the Big 10 though how many times have both ever been undefeated when they met at the end of the year? Twice maybe?

Other conferences go through the same thing. Those conferences always argued that the Big 10 had a better chance of going undefeated because they DIDN'T play in a conference title game. If I remember right Kansas State was ranked 2nd one year and lost to Texas A&M in the B12 title game, a team they beat earlier in the year, and lost their chance at the national title because of it.

lhslep134;468386 wrote:Obviously here it's the biggest.

Objectively, it's also one of the biggest, but you can't really distinguish it from Army/Navy, Auburn/Alabama, EXCEPT for the fact that the OSU/UM has had a direct hand in deciding the conference champion some 30+ times (not to mean it's come between OSU and UM 30+ but the outcome of that game has affected the Big 10 title 30+ times), which is moreso than any other rivalry.



Note, I looked up that statistic last year so I don't remember it for sure, but I know for a fact the number is at least above 20.

krambman;468380 wrote:But Indiana and Purdue fans would tell you that OSU/Mich is a bigger and more important rivalry than IU/PU is! Have you ever watched any national sports media or picked up a national sports magazine? Every national sports outlet and sports personality has OSU/Mich in their top three rivalries in sports, if not #1. We don't have an over-inflated view of our rivalry. We believe that it's the biggest because national objective personalities tell us that it's the biggest. Was anyone talking about the possibility of any of the other Big Ten rivalries being split up and how awful that might be? No. All anyone nationally has been talking about for two weeks with Big Ten divisional alignment is the possibility that OSU/Mich may be in different divisions and may not play at the end of the season anymore. No one has been discussing Wisconsin being in a different division than Iowa and Minnesota meaning they likely won't play the final week anymore. ESPN hasn't done polls about people's feelings of this possibility. If you don't realize the place that this rivalry holds not just in this region but nationally then you're clueless or you're deluding yourself.

the_system;468405 wrote:As dominant as OSU and Michigan have been throughout the history of the Big 10 though how many times have both ever been undefeated when they met at the end of the year? Twice maybe?

lhslep134;468414 wrote:Yeah but what about the time when KSU beat Oklahoma and Oklahoma played for the title game anyways?

Of course they got smoked by arguably the 2nd or 3rd greatest college team of all time, but that's irrelevant.

enigmaax;468428 wrote:Just going to tell you, I'm in Madison WI this week. There has been absolutely zero talk about what is going to happen with OSU and Michigan. The rumor here is that one division will be: Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois, Ohio State, Penn State, and Purdue. And they are ticked that they don't get Iowa, Minnesota, or Nebraska and can only have one of those teams as their permanent crossover.

lhslep134;468377 wrote:Only if both teams have more than a 1 game game lead, then yes, that would be true. Fucking shitty situation if it ever came to fruition.

the_system;468435 wrote:It happened. They lost and the teams below them that should have jumped them lost as well if I remember right. Everyone was talking about LSU, USC, and Oklahoma all year. People forget that LSU and USC also had losses that year. It just came down to which 1-loss teams do you put in the title game because none were flawless.

mallymal614;468441 wrote:How about this.....If both teams have a 1 game lead and it's already Guaranteed they would play in the Big Ten Championship, how about canceling the regular season meeting and have them just go at it in the Championship game? Or would that be asking for too much?

FatHobbit;468434 wrote:I googled it and I think it has happened 5 times. 1944, 1970, 1973, 1975 and 2006. I did not verify those numbers though.

hrspeedmerchant;468463 wrote:Ohio State and Michigan playing two weeks in a row? So what.

Put the two schools in separate divisions and keep THE GAME in its rightfull place in the final week of the season. It isn't like the two teams would meet every year in the Big Ten Title Game. And on those years they would meet for the Championship it would not lose any luster just because they played the week before.

the_system;468473 wrote:I can see a LOT of OSU vs. Nebraska title games in the near future.

the_system;468450 wrote:1944: No. Michigan had a loss
1970: Yes
1973: Yes
1975: OSU yes, Michigan had 2 ties, so I guess technically undefeated.
2006: Yes

So 3 times, 4 if you throw in ties ever. The chance is always there, but it sounds like from here on out you'll have to beat who they put in front of you if you want to win the conference or national title.

lhslep134;468438 wrote:I must say I'm truly shocked that in the home of the Badgers they're not talking about OSU/UM. I believe Krambman was talking about the rivalry from a national media standpoint, not from a fan standpoint in Madison, WI.

:rolleyes:

GoPens;468659 wrote:The divisions will be OSU, Indiana, Penn State, Illinois, Purdue and Wisky

Then Michigan, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, and Michigan State.

5 division games, 1 locked in rival crossover and 2 other rotating crossovers