thedynasty1998 wrote: Can't really blame him. I thought he would be a solid contributor this year, and when you sit there and watch Diebler play 40 minutes, I'd leave too.

With that said, this is a GOOD THING! OSU was relying on a guy leaving early after the season to make room for the incoming class. Well now they don't have any worries, and Matta might be able to go after someone else. I doubt Turner returns, but the option is there. And if he does leave, Matta might waste another scholarship on some bum that will sit on the bench.

On a side note, I don't know how Matta can be such a good recruiter, yet miss on so many guys. Z, Madsen, Kecman, PJ Hill, etc... All guys who have no business playing Big 10 basketball.

Miss on those guys??? They were desperation last minute fill ins when players left early.

mallymal614 wrote: Add Offutt to the list of Anthony Crater, Eric Wallace, and Sylvester Mayes who transferred out of Ohio State under Matta's watch.

Yep, they all thought they were 1st round draft choices. Did any of them get drafted? Will any of them ever get drafted?

I think they'll need Offut later in season and will miss his skillset then. I don't think Buford is going anywhere. He's still got some work to do.

miss his skillset? what's that exactly? certainly isn't shooting or ball handling, which is pretty much what it needs to be when you're a 6'2" off-guard.

thedynasty1998 wrote:
I disagree on Weatherspoon. He might not be real polished, but OSU won't have anyone on their roster as athletic as him. Even if he only gets 5-6 minutes a game, I think you have to put him out there to see if he can make some plays. Plus, I think he will add a toughness that OSU is lacking a little bit.

And that's not mentioning the chemistry that he already has with not only Sullinger, but also his AAU buddies.

I actually agree 100% with your assessment on Weatherspoon, but I've heard/read that the coaching staff thinks he won't be ready right away. But even if he isn't, I agree Matta needs to find at least five to six minutes for him.

Midstate01 wrote: Leaving due to lack of playing time.

With turner or Buford, or both leaving. Gives osu another scholly. Though this will hurt their NCAA score.. Whatever that thing is with grades and players not finishing out semesters.

That thing you are referring to is known as the Academic Progress Report, other wise known as the APR. Something this Hoosier fan is all too familiar with having given up two scholarships as a result of Sampsongate.

Ohio State has already paid the price, and having Offutt leave will not help the current APR standing.

It is my humble opinion that in the future , coaches will be paying even more attention to a recruit's academics, as well as how good of a basketball player he/she is.

Each semester/quarter a student/athlete earn for his school 2 points by remaining in school with a qualifying GPA. Failure to meet the required GPA loses a point for his/her school in whatever primary sport they are participating in. Leaving school loses a point. Leaving early with less than a qualifying GPA, loses a school two points

Conversely, a student/athlete who remains in school with an qualifying GPA earns his/her school two points for each semester/quarter.

The APR score a school attains each year is averaged out over a four year period. Failure to maintain a qualifying APR in any given year results in loss of scholarships. Failure to improve an APR score within that four year period can result in further penalties, such as loss of recruiting dates.

Those schools experiencing a high number of transfers or kids leaving after one year for the NBA are most subject to having their numbers negatively impacted by the APR.


What we have seen at a number of schools who have recruited lock down one and doners heading to the NBA, is that the student/athlete has just managed to get by the first semester/quarter, and then abandoned his academics the second semester/quarter. Thereby leaving the school with a two point hit on their APR score.... one for leaving, and one for leaving in poor academic standing.

And it can happen with a kid who is not going on to the NBA, but has decided to transfer. Indiana had two kids leave the program at the close of last season. One left in good academic standing, and IU suffered only a 1 point hit for him. The other made his mind up long before the end of the season that he was transferring, and let his academics, which were good the first semester, slide. Long story short, IU took a two point hit on this kid. And has set aside a scholarship, expecting to take an additional hit on it's APR score.

In Offut's case,OSU will lose one point. The question is will he be leaving with a qualifying academic APR.

I cannot recall . But I believe the GPA needed not to take a hit if a kid leaves is 2.7

milehiiu wrote:

Midstate01 wrote: Leaving due to lack of playing time.

With turner or Buford, or both leaving. Gives osu another scholly. Though this will hurt their NCAA score.. Whatever that thing is with grades and players not finishing out semesters.

That thing you are referring to is known as the Academic Progress Report, other wise known as the APR. Something this Hoosier fan is all too familiar with having given up two scholarships as a result of Sampsongate.

Ohio State has already paid the price, and having Offutt leave will not help the current APR standing.

It is my humble opinion that in the future , coaches will be paying even more attention to a recruit's academics, as well as how good of a basketball player he/she is.

Each semester/quarter a student/athlete earn for his school 2 points by remaining in school with a qualifying GPA. Failure to meet the required GPA loses a point for his/her school in whatever primary sport they are participating in. Leaving school loses a point. Leaving early with less than a qualifying GPA, loses a school two points

Conversely, a student/athlete who remains in school with an qualifying GPA earns his/her school two points for each semester/quarter.

The APR score a school attains each year is averaged out over a four year period. Failure to maintain a qualifying APR in any given year results in loss of scholarships. Failure to improve an APR score within that four year period can result in further penalties, such as loss of recruiting dates.

Those schools experiencing a high number of transfers or kids leaving after one year for the NBA are most subject to having their numbers negatively impacted by the APR.


What we have seen at a number of schools who have recruited lock down one and doners heading to the NBA, is that the student/athlete has just managed to get by the first semester/quarter, and then abandoned his academics the second semester/quarter. Thereby leaving the school with a two point hit on their APR score.... one for leaving, and one for leaving in poor academic standing.

And it can happen with a kid who is not going on to the NBA, but has decided to transfer. Indiana had two kids leave the program at the close of last season. One left in good academic standing, and IU suffered only a 1 point hit for him. The other made his mind up long before the end of the season that he was transferring, and let his academics, which were good the first semester, slide. Long story short, IU took a two point hit on this kid. And has set aside a scholarship, expecting to take an additional hit on it's APR score.

In Offut's case,OSU will lose one point. The question is will he be leaving with a qualifying academic APR.

I cannot recall . But I believe the GPA needed not to take a hit if a kid leaves is 2.7

Are you sure about this, as far as transfers were concerned? I thought I read that as far as OSU is concerned, that they are still responsible for Offut and his grades, even though he is at another school. So it all depends on what he does academically at his next school.
Which again, its down right stupid. This APR thing is so ridiculous its not even funny.

centralbucksfan wrote:

Are you sure about this, as far as transfers were concerned? I thought I read that as far as OSU is concerned, that they are still responsible for Offut and his grades, even though he is at another school. So it all depends on what he does academically at his next school.
Which again, its down right stupid. This APR thing is so ridiculous its not even funny.

Nope, the only thing OSU is responsible for is Offutt having qualifying grades by the end of this semester/quarter. If he did, OSU will lose the one pt for the transfer. If he did/does not OSU is gonna lose both points that Offutt is responsible for.