I rarely start threads, but I felt I had to. For those of you who are OSU fans, congrats on winning the game. However, to be thumping your chests about how awesome OSU is is a bit much. Michigan turned the ball over FIVE tmes - once in the END ZONE. So there is an automatic 7 pts. With OSU's killer defense, and Michigan managing to turn it over 4 more times, all you could score was 2 TDs? Sorry, but in my opinion, OSU didn't win as much as UM lost. And now some fans are pumping their chests about how they are going the thrash the Pac 10 opponent in the Rose Bowl, not so fast my friends. Michigan had a totally ineffective offense yesterday and a defense that has been weak all year and you only beat us by 11 points. The Rose Bowl could be a pretty interesting game... I will always root for the Big 10 in bowl games and will in this case, but to think that a Rose Bowl victory is a slam dunk is questionable.

Yes, because OSU's defense who leads the nation in turnovers forced had no impact on causing those turnovers.

Face it UM didn't beat themselves, OSU's offense scored more than UM's offense. Even without the defensive TD, OSU wins. Even with UM's missed FG added in Ohio State still wins.

And if you really want to play the WHAT IF game. Then OSU had 14 points IF Pryor doesn't lead a wide open Posey too far two times.

This what you get when a Michigan fan tries to give an "assessment" on the game. Add in the fact that this particular UM fan is a woman and it makes sense that OSU's defense is not given credit for forcing those TO's. The pressure on Fumblier and the DB's being where they need to be.

Good try though, it's cute.

devil1197 wrote: Yes, because OSU's defense who leads the nation in turnovers forced had no impact on causing those turnovers.

Face it UM didn't beat themselves, OSU's offense scored more than UM's offense. Even without the defensive TD, OSU wins. Even with UM's missed FG added in Ohio State still wins.

Let's not forget that OSU was not even attempting to get into the endzone in the 4th quarter. They were just running the clock out.

Tressel and OSU knew that Michigan couldn't score on the defense another time.

This thread should be titled "A little post game perspective from a delusional Michigan fan"

Michigan lost, period. Enjoy your bowl game, oh wait LOL

dwccrew wrote:

devil1197 wrote: Yes, because OSU's defense who leads the nation in turnovers forced had no impact on causing those turnovers.

Face it UM didn't beat themselves, OSU's offense scored more than UM's offense. Even without the defensive TD, OSU wins. Even with UM's missed FG added in Ohio State still wins.

Let's not forget that OSU was not even attempting to get into the endzone in the 4th quarter. They were just running the clock out.

Tressel and OSU knew that Michigan couldn't score on the defense another time.

Exactly, OSU was up 10+ when they intercepted Forcier in the 4th quarter a couple times (one was deep into OSU's territory on the Coleman reviewed INT). To say OSU should have scored more off turnovers seems correct but look at the situation OSU was in when they got 50% of the TO's.

This is perspective? You have to be kidding.

I'm an OSU fan that thinks the Rose Bowl will be tough to win, whether it's against Oregon or Oregon State. I think the Bucks can definitely beat either team, but it won't be easy at all.

I don't even know where to begin with the rest of that post. You're obviously looking at it from a Michigan perspective, rather than from an unbiased one. The OSU defense played extremely well, so I think they had a little to do with Michigan's offense turning the ball over and struggling to score.

Offensively, OSU decided to run the ball down Michigan's throat to control the clock and prevent potential mistakes. Tressel played it close to the vest, especially in the second half, and relied on his defense to finish off the game.

It really irks me when people say, "You didn't win the game, we lost it". Get real. That's not how it works. The winning team makes the plays that are needed to win the game and avoids mistakes. The losing team does not. Looking at any other way is taking credit away from the better team.

C'mon Zam, I had a lot more respect for you and your posts on "The Game" prior to this one.

There's no such thing as beating yourself unless you're talking about playing golf.

What spin? I'm conceding the fact that Michigan played like shit yesterday. I expected it to be a total blow out/blood bath and was shocked that it was only 21-10. Especially since Michigan gave you 5 turnovers. You can say that OSUs defense forced all those turnovers, okay fair enough, buth OSUs offense failed to convert 2 of them - score wise. I seriously expected to lose this game by a large margin,and the fact that it was 11 point game shocked me. But then, I'm just a stupid woman so what would I know, right dwcrew?

zambrown wrote: What spin? I'm conceding the fact that Michigan played like shit yesterday. I expected it to be a total blow out/blood bath and was shocked that it was only 21-10. Especially since Michigan gave you 5 turnovers. You can say that OSUs defense forced all those turnovers, okay fair enough, buth OSUs offense failed to convert 2 of them - score wise. I seriously expected to lose this game by a large margin,and the fact that it was 11 point game shocked me. But then, I'm just a stupid woman so what would I know, right dwcrew?

Now that you mention it, probably should be in the kitchen making me sammiches.

zambrown wrote: What spin? I'm conceding the fact that Michigan played like shit yesterday. I expected it to be a total blow out/blood bath and was shocked that it was only 21-10. Especially since Michigan gave you 5 turnovers. You can say that OSUs defense forced all those turnovers, okay fair enough, buth OSUs offense failed to convert 2 of them - score wise. I seriously expected to lose this game by a large margin,and the fact that it was 11 point game shocked me. But then, I'm just a stupid woman so what would I know, right dwcrew?

I never said you were stupid. Just like a woman to put words in a man's mouth.

But you really didn't give us a good assessment of the game. OSU was favored by 12. They won by 11. Just because you expected a bloodbath doesn't mean anything.

OSU won the game doing it the way they have always done it since Tressel has been at OSU. Great defense and put enough points on the board to win. Once you get a lead, he runs and gets very conservative so not to make a mistake and turn it over.

You expected a bloodbath and it didn't happen. Doesn't mean you can take credit away from the Buckeyes by saying Michigan lost the game more than OSU won it. OSU won it how they win most of their games. Tressel ball.

You can't emasculate a defeat because the spread was missed by a point. OSU won the game and UM was defeated, it's just that simple.

In the world of "Tressel ball"........
11 point victory = BLOWOUT

Have a nice day!
And remember...Richie Rod will be fine!:rolleyes:

..and OSU's defense had absolutely nothing to do with the turnovers..btw, it's not always about converting turnovers into points-it's also about stopping the opponents offense from scoring points

Tressel allowed the game to be that close because he played tresselball and leaned on the defense, because he trusted them. The offense was a run run run go deep conservative offense. They weren't trying to hang 50 on the wolverines. They were two close deep balls away from winning 35-10. As someone stated before OSUs defense leads the NCAA in forced turnovers they don't happen on accident.

Why during the season were people outraged by OSU's offense when they were beating people by 4 touchdowns, but this week they fail to see any fault.

Talk about delusional. OSU should have won 42-10, if not more.

^ outraged at the lack of identity. Iowa and Michigan games were clearly games where tressel locked down and played tresselball. Which is maddening in its own way but at least there is a method to the madness. The rest of the season it seemed to change throughout the game, and the offense never established a rhythm. Except for the Penn State game which was the most balanced and well thought out game plan of the year.

WebFire wrote: Why during the season were people outraged by OSU's offense when they were beating people by 4 touchdowns, but this week they fail to see any fault.

Talk about delusional. OSU should have won 42-10, if not more.

and then you would've complained about OSU not being "classy" and running up the score on the poor,little skunkbears--we kicked your butt,and it was awesome!!!

WebFire wrote: Why during the season were people outraged by OSU's offense when they were beating people by 4 touchdowns, but this week they fail to see any fault.

Talk about delusional. OSU should have won 42-10, if not more.

What ONeBuckeye said.

OneBuckeye wrote: ^ outraged at the lack of identity. Iowa and Michigan games were clearly games where tressel locked down and played tresselball. Which is maddening in its own way but at least there is a method to the madness. The rest of the season it seemed to change throughout the game, and the offense never established a rhythm. Except for the Penn State game which was the most balanced and well thought out game plan of the year.

I agree all the way. I was complaining this year when the offense wasn't getting the calls needed to make plays or when they weren't getting the right adjustments made.

None of those were needed this weekend. Not many adjustments were needed as we didn't need to counter since Michigan couldn't score. Had Michigan been putting points on the board, I am confident we would have countered with a score of our own (as we did when Michigan scored their one and only touchdown).

Last season after the UM game, I bet a UM fan that Michigan wouldn't score as many points in 3 years against OSU as OSU did against UM in 2008. So far UM has 17 points. Could they score 25 points next year (to equal in 3 years what OSU scored in the 2008 game) in the Shoe? Please comeback Gibson and Heyward. Help me win my bet!

But OSU did call the plays to open up the lead imo. Pryor led Posey a little too far on plays that would have resulted in 14 points. So it wasn't all conservative.

I expected more from you Zam, very disappointed.

people's true colors show through when under emotional stress,so don't be too hard on her--it's been a tough couple of years :rolleyes:

Michigan still sux...

I'm not taking anything away from you guys. I expected you to win and you did. My only point is how surprised I was that it was only an 11 pt. game given the number of opportunities your defense created. I knew there would be payback while I enjoyed my 13 years of glory under Cooper, and it has most certainly happened. I'm really not being a poor sport about it and I hope whoever you play in the Rose Bowl gets their butts handed to them.

Edit: I certainly didn't mean to offend you all by phrasing it so as not to give full credit to the OSU defense.