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Cavs to replace Lebron with Josh Childress

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Jul 11, 2010 9:50 PM
Benny The Jet;420835 wrote:Man have you had baklava? That stuff is amazing, I don't blame him haha

Well hell yea thats what I'm sayin the numbers were whats not so good
Jul 11, 2010 9:50pm
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Jul 11, 2010 9:51 PM
mucalum49;420836 wrote:He just went $ chasing. Got a 3 yr $32.5 million USD contract in Europe. Their contracts are factored after tax as well. No way he'd get that from any NBA team.

In Europe he averaged 15.2 pts, 4 rebounds and 1 assist in the 2009-10 year. (in Euroleague play, what is better that or the Greek league?)

I guess the deal would be a S/T Shaq and Mo for Marvin Williams and Childress. This would probably be contingent on the team getting a young PG from elsewhere (Acie Law maybe?). Looking at Marvin Williams v. LeBron they are about comparable sizes. LBJ avg 50% from the field to Marvin's 45%. LBJ shot 33% from the field and Marvin 30% last year. Not saying that Williams is anywhere near the player LBJ is but maybe he just needs a change of scenery to be the player that the Hawks thought he would be when they drafted him so high.

Thanks for the info. May as well give him a shot.
Jul 11, 2010 9:51pm
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Jul 11, 2010 10:00 PM
Those stats were with about 27 minutes per game, for what it's worth.
Jul 11, 2010 10:00pm
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Jul 11, 2010 10:13 PM
What hurts my interest in Childress is his 3 PT% from a closer distance in Europe. 2008-2009 he shot .158 (16 Euroleague games), .329 (25 Greek games). In 2009-2010 it was .328 (20 Euroleague games), .325 (25 Greek games).

Coming out of Stanford he was supposed to be a strong outside shooter and was even a 36% 3PT shooter in Atlanta. Dare I say they play better D in Europe or did he just struggle?
Jul 11, 2010 10:13pm
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Jul 11, 2010 11:40 PM
I think Marvin Williams would be a good gamble for Cleveland. You always heard about "potential" when people talked him. He is not great by any stretch of the imagination, but you might get lucky with him.
Jul 11, 2010 11:40pm
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Jul 11, 2010 11:58 PM
jordo212000;420947 wrote:I think Marvin Williams would be a good gamble for Cleveland. You always heard about "potential" when people talked him. He not great by any stretch of the imagination, but you might get lucky with him.

I agree... I think he would be a good transition from the LeBron era. As I posted both have similar % and might thrive in a new environment. He is also fairly affordable and under contract for the next three seasons with a player option for the fourth. Since Childress is off to the Suns how about a S/T Shaq for Marvin Williams and a 2nd rounder. Better than just letting him walk as well.
Jul 11, 2010 11:58pm
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Jul 11, 2010 11:59 PM
mucalum49;420927 wrote:Suns supposedly completed a S/T for Childress. A second round pick for him and supposedly the Suns might get Turkoglu from the Raptors as well. On to the next one...

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2010/07/11/20100711phoenix-suns-acquire-hedo-turkoglu-josh-childress.html

And count me as HAPPY. I didn't really want anything to do with Childress...
Jul 11, 2010 11:59pm
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Jul 12, 2010 12:00 AM
Marvin Williams needs a change of scenery. He is long and athletic and can shoot the ball. I think Mike Woodson stunted his growth.
Jul 12, 2010 12:00am
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Jul 12, 2010 9:17 AM
Marvin Williams would be a solid get! Probably better than Childress, in hindsight. It will be interesting to see what direction the Cavs go in now.
Jul 12, 2010 9:17am
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Jul 12, 2010 9:54 AM
karen lotz;419926 wrote:that should lock up another 60 win season.

In all fairness, Childress doesn't have anything around him :)
Jul 12, 2010 9:54am
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Jul 12, 2010 10:00 AM
thedynasty1998;421131 wrote:Marvin Williams would be a solid get! Probably better than Childress, in hindsight. It will be interesting to see what direction the Cavs go in now.

Agreed. I want to see what Marvin can do in a starting role without selfish players around him (Joe Johnson, Josh Smith).

Although, I betcha that Mo gets pretty selfish this upcoming season.
Jul 12, 2010 10:00am
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Jul 12, 2010 10:46 AM
lhslep134;421143 wrote:Agreed. I want to see what Marvin can do in a starting role without selfish players around him (Joe Johnson, Josh Smith).

Although, I betcha that Mo gets pretty selfish this upcoming season.
Someone will have to get selfish. Every player will have a new role. It won't be good enough for Varejao to just hustle anymore, as he will have to contribute in some way offensively for this team to succeed (make the playoffs). Although I don't think Marvin Williams is great by any means, I think he is a young player that you could take a chance on to see if he can develop.
Jul 12, 2010 10:46am
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Jul 12, 2010 1:07 PM
krazie45;420013 wrote:One of the better FA's left on the market. You do what you can when LeBron handicaps you with "The Decision"

My question on this - how exactly did LeBron handicap them? I realize he hadn't announced his decision and some guys got signed in the meantime. But, the Cavs knew LeBron hadn't signed with them at the moment. If he hadn't returned any phone calls or texts since the end of the season, shouldn't the Cavs have been putting together a backup plan? For that matter, which of the guys that the Cavs missed out on would have seriously considered Cleveland to begin with, had James announced he definitely wasn't going back to Cleveland?

What you probably should've said was, "you do what you can when the owner can no longer ride his one trick pony". Ha ha, and people try to pass that guy off as the best owner in sports.
Jul 12, 2010 1:07pm
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Jul 12, 2010 1:11 PM
enigmaax;421277 wrote:My question on this - how exactly did LeBron handicap them?
I know I'm known as a hater, but I wonder that too. You don't hear these same things from Utah, Chicago, New York, New Jersey, etc... All of those teams were waiting for a big free agent. It's the nature of the beast, you offer someone and have to wait for them to decide. Lebron expedited this process as much as he could with having the teams come to him. ESPN had said they wanted to postpone "The Decision" until after the ESPY's, so at least he was intent on getting the process over with. The big names are gone, but Cleveland wasn't going to land any of them anyways, so they can now go forward pursuing other free agents.

You don't hear of Izzo handicapping the Cavs when he took weeks to make his decision.
Jul 12, 2010 1:11pm
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Jul 12, 2010 1:25 PM
So you don't see any possible advantage to Lebron telling the Cavs from the get-go that he would not sign with them? None whatsoever?
Jul 12, 2010 1:25pm
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Jul 12, 2010 1:25 PM
Because if LeBron comes out on July 1st and says...."Hey guys I'm not resigning", then the Cavs have some cap space and can pursue other free agents. But he didn't so they operated under the assumption that he'd resign so they couldn't use any cap space. Now that he made his decision and we could have space there are no decent free agents on the market.

And as for Izzo, well since free agency hadn't started yet I don't see how that's relevant.
Jul 12, 2010 1:25pm
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Jul 12, 2010 1:28 PM
^ Agree. Izzo has no bearing on the conversation.

Nobody is saying they would have got a "big name" FA, but they could have at least looked at some 2nd tier guys.
Jul 12, 2010 1:28pm
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Jul 12, 2010 1:30 PM
dat dude;421288 wrote:Nobody is saying they would have got a "big name" FA, but they could have at least looked at some 2nd tier guys.

But they still could have done that. I understand that it would have been advantageous for the Cavs to have known as early as possible, but let's not pretend that this process was dragged out.
Jul 12, 2010 1:30pm
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Jul 12, 2010 1:32 PM
They couldn't have looked at FAs because with LBJ they would not have had any cap space. Way to talk out of your ass to try and hate.
Jul 12, 2010 1:32pm
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Jul 12, 2010 1:34 PM
But if Lebron knew where he was going, and it would have been "advantageous for the Cavs to have known," then it did handicap the Cavs, correct?
Jul 12, 2010 1:34pm
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Jul 12, 2010 1:35 PM
It's a new day. I think we need to quit saying "replacing Lebron". He's gone. He doesn't want anything to do with Cleveland. The Cavaliers need to begin building a new identity, fueled with players who want a chance to show what they can do here in Cleveland. It's disappointing that someone could do what James did, but he did, so let's see how good we can be this season with a group of hardworking players who have everything to prove and a golden opportunity to prove it. The city really needs to get behind this brand new team and cheer louder than they ever have. I see this coming out really well but it will take patience and understanding, something that Cleveland has been asked to display before, but this time I have a good feeling about the end result.
Jul 12, 2010 1:35pm
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Jul 12, 2010 1:36 PM
Commander of Awesome;421291 wrote:They couldn't have looked at FAs because with LBJ they would not have had any cap space. Way to talk out of your ass to try and hate.

It's called a backup plan. You are telling me that Grant is even dumber than he currently looks by not exploring other free agents, because Lebron might sign?
Jul 12, 2010 1:36pm
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Jul 12, 2010 1:39 PM
Well with them being unable to renounce LBJ's rights (and thus free up the cap space) what back up plan would you want him to explore? With ZERO money to spend until LBJ makes a decision, he didn't have a lot of options. Nice FAIL though.
Jul 12, 2010 1:39pm
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Jul 12, 2010 1:40 PM
dat dude;421292 wrote:But if Lebron knew where he was going, and it would have been "advantageous for the Cavs to have known," then it did handicap the Cavs, correct?

Def would have been, because then they could have renounced his rights, or started working out a trade with the Heat earlier. This would have also put us in position to go after FAs like a Travis Outlaw or Childress eariler. They cowardly way LBJ went about it crippled our off season.
Jul 12, 2010 1:40pm