jhay78;886249 wrote:I took your point to be that presidents are ultimately responsible for budgets and their contributions to the debt (for better or worse), and that Congress ultimately gives the President what he wants. My point, and the point of about a dozen other posters of sound mind on this site, is that Congress bears more blame (or credit) than what you are saying.
What I am saying is that the veto pen belongs in the hand of the president. And because of that, the buck
pretty much stops with him. Less than 10% of laws vetoed have been overridden by Congresses.
So I'm not sure how giving Congress more credit for the budget of the Clinton years proves your point, but carry on I guess.
My point is this. There are partisan hacks on this site from both sides (mostly from the right) that will blame the Congress to suit their own agenda, and then blame the president when it also serves their agenda. And what's remarkable, they are too stupid to understand how hypocritical their thought processes are.
Do whatever you see fit to do" = a de facto declaration of war. The Constitution does not say what form an actual declaration of war should be, so there was nothing "illegal" about it. But hey, I guess "your book" > the Constitution.
Now this statement here shows ignorance on your part. If you knew your constitution, then you would never have said this. Up until...and including WWII, the US isssued a clear and concise formal "Declaration of War". There was no such declaration for Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Gulf 1, Kosovo, Operation Iraqi Freedom, nor Afghanistan.
Really? Yet they're responsible for declarations of war? Don't act like Bush and Cheney wrote the intel documents.
I could fill up 10 pages rebutting your little snippet here. So I will try to summarize...because I have other things to do...given it is Friday night.
The biggest load of crap ever spewed by the "I love War" crowd is the utter nonsense that Congress agreed with Bush on Iraq. Let's roll the tape, shall we?
In September of 2002, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Condoliza Rice....all stated on American national television that Saddam Hussein had WMD, and was going to use them on the US.
Theymmade these fear mongering statements based on manipulated dossiers from our 16 intelligence agencies. There now declassified sources? 2 Iraqi dissidents named Curveball and Ahmad Chelabi, both of whom were known serial liars and who hated Saddam Hussein.
The lie factory also included more war mongering...in stating that Hussein had purchased aluminum tubes to manufacture nuclear weapons, when in fact the integral engineered components could never be used for nuclear bombs...as confirmed by several US scientists long before the Iraq War commenced in March of 03. The lie factory continued forward stating that Saddam attempted to purchase yellowcake uranium from Nigerian officiakls for nuclear proliferation, inspite of the fact that the FBI and the CIA had already thoroughly, and compltetedly debunked this remote possibilit. (Forget about Joe Wilson...all he did was confirm what the FBI and the CIA had already done).
The members of the Congress, both the House and the Senate, had jobs to do...back in 02 and 03. And their jobs did NOT encompass deciphering the material from our 16 intel agencies. They were hoodwinked into believing the stunning lies purported from the Office of Special Plans....an organization formed by Andrew Card, Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney, Tom Delay and Paul Wolfowitz....5 of the biggest neocons...to ever reside in the White House. Needless to say, none of these cowards had ever donned the American uniform.
