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Jun 11, 2010 10:29 AM
j_crazy;386542 wrote:if you get texas and A&M, you get Houston's market, which is like the 4th largest city in the US. I'd be all for it.

Yes, Houston is the fourth largest city but Dallas/FW is actually a larger metro area and larger media marker. Houston is the #10 media market and Dallas/FW is #7. If Texas were to join the Big Ten you would add both of those markets. It's the biggest school and the flagship school in the state so the BTN would be added on basic cable all across the entire state. Since the BTN has successfully negotiated contracts with all major cable providers in current Big Ten states it will be much easier for them to get it added in new Big Ten states.
Jun 11, 2010 10:29am
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Jun 11, 2010 10:53 AM
I was kind of expecting a lot of news to have occurred over night. I'm a little bummed. ESPN says Nebraska should announce between 2:00-3:00 what they are "officially" doing. I'm guessing that will be what puts the wheels in motion
Jun 11, 2010 10:53am
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Jun 11, 2010 11:11 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;386528 wrote:" (and media market...last I checked Ft. Worth Texas wasn't really the the top media area around). "

To be fair, if the Ft. Worth market doesn't matter, why does Rutgers' market matter? Ft. Worth is certainly more connected to the Dallas metroplex then New Brunswick is to NYC, and people in Texas actually care about football.

Because though less connected, you still get the NYC market if you get Rutgers and that's huge for the Big10. If they acquire Rutgers, they get a huge expansion in numbers for the B10 network...if they get Rutgers, and all the $$$ that would come with their market, they become that much more attractive to Texas. Because we know Texas is all about the money. They don't want to play "small ball" they need something in front of them that they basically cannot turn down. The conference that will do that is the conference that offers them the most $$ and exposure. If the Big10 gets NYC, it's not even close...new PAC10 network or not. And I'm sorry, but getting the whole state of New Jersey (Rutgers being the only D-1 football team in the state) AND NYC trumps anything Ft. Worth brings to the table.

And to my point about TCU, Ft. Worth is, as you said, already closely connected to the Dallas metroplex, so if TCU would have went to the Big12, they wouldn't have really brought much to the table as that market would have already been firmly in place.
Jun 11, 2010 11:11am
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Jun 11, 2010 11:17 AM
I'm a broken record on this. People in New York don't care about football, especially college football unless they are Notre Dame fans, or from Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio or Texas and take their football viewership with them. Rutgers means nothing. Let me put it in another way. MARYLAND has more of a football following in the NYC area than Rutgers. The Maryland alumni club(s) actually have events and participation. Rutgers doesn't, in any sport.
Jun 11, 2010 11:17am
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Jun 11, 2010 11:23 AM
enigmaax;386546 wrote:I don't disagree with this at all. The thing I responded to originally and the point I maintain is that TCU's success is sometimes overplayed, that people tend to forget that TCU's program developed into a winner after they moved down a level. There are distinctions between BCS and non-BCS conferences and I don't agree when people say they are on equal ground.

However, the successful second tier programs have gained steam and if ever there was a time to capitalize or "move up" for those schools it is definitely now. TCU is not Nebraska, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't benefit the Big XII to stay together and replace Nebraska with TCU. I've said before, even if it is just Kansas, KSU, Iowa State, and Baylor left, they could cherry pick all the top "mid-majors" out there for a new Big XII (or whatever they called it) and they'd likely get a BCS autobid. To me, this is exactly the opening Utah, BYU, TCU, Boise, etc. need to grab their slice.

Maax, I know we disagree all the time on this subject, but alas! I agree with you lol.

I actually think what will happen is the Mountain West will try and get Boise State, and then whatever (former) Big12 teams are left, and end up with 14-16 teams of their own, and still be called the Mountain West...they will apply for an auto-bid, citing Boise, Utah and TCU's former appearances (and some wins) in the BCS, as well as the several former B12 teams being in a power conference as the reason, and probably be granted an autobid. I think this IS the chance the top midmajors have been looking for, as you said, and I think they're going to let the big boys move and do what they were going to do, and they will be waiting in the wings right there to swoop up the mess and clean up what's left of this whole situation.
Jun 11, 2010 11:23am
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Jun 11, 2010 11:23 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;386654 wrote:I'm a broken record on this. People in New York don't care about football, especially college football unless they are Notre Dame fans, or from Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio or Texas and take their football viewership with them. Rutgers means nothing. Let me put it in another way. MARYLAND has more of a football following in the NYC area than Rutgers. The Maryland alumni club(s) actually have events and participation. Rutgers doesn't, in any sport.
None of that matters. It could be true that not a single person in NYC has ever or will ever watch a Rutgers football game, but if they are in the Big Ten the Big Ten would negotiate a deal to have the BTN on basic cable in the New York market. Key word there is basic cable. That means that everyone gets it whether they watch it or not. That's nearly $3 per person per month. People can't opt out of getting the BTN and save the few bucks. If it's on basic cable (like it is in all current Big Ten states) then everyone gets it regardless. Also, since the BTN already has deals with the nations two largest cable providers (Comcast and Time Warner) in current Big Ten states, it wouldn't be difficult for them to negotiate deals in new Big Ten states. The only way that the Big Ten Network ends up on basic cable in New York is if Rutgers is added to the conference even if no one in NYC cares a lick about them.
Jun 11, 2010 11:23am
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Jun 11, 2010 11:39 AM
Red_Skin_Pride;386664 wrote:Maax, I know we disagree all the time on this subject, but alas! I agree with you lol.

I actually think what will happen is the Mountain West will try and get Boise State, and then whatever (former) Big12 teams are left, and end up with 14-16 teams of their own, and still be called the Mountain West...they will apply for an auto-bid, citing Boise, Utah and TCU's former appearances (and some wins) in the BCS, as well as the several former B12 teams being in a power conference as the reason, and probably be granted an autobid. I think this IS the chance the top midmajors have been looking for, as you said, and I think they're going to let the big boys move and do what they were going to do, and they will be waiting in the wings right there to swoop up the mess and clean up what's left of this whole situation.


even so, there'd be some absolute dogs in that conference. I'd be pissed if kansas got a BCS bid for going undefeated in a league that potentailly pits you against teams like wyoming, UNLV, New Mexico, and SDSU.
Jun 11, 2010 11:39am
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Jun 11, 2010 11:41 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;386654 wrote:I'm a broken record on this. People in New York don't care about football, especially college football unless they are Notre Dame fans, or from Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio or Texas and take their football viewership with them. Rutgers means nothing. Let me put it in another way. MARYLAND has more of a football following in the NYC area than Rutgers. The Maryland alumni club(s) actually have events and participation. Rutgers doesn't, in any sport.
It doesn't matter how much their people care about it though. All that matters is contract that the B10 network will negotiate with the local cable companies. Whether people give a shit or not, if the B10 gets rutgers, the B10 network will be on millions of TV's they haven't been on before. Me, you, people in columbus, and the people at the B10 network could give a shit less, if the people in NYC give a shit less about football. All they care about it having a reason to expand into that market. And Rutgers in the conference gives them that reason.
Jun 11, 2010 11:41am
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Jun 11, 2010 11:51 AM
j_crazy;386683 wrote:even so, there'd be some absolute dogs in that conference. I'd be pissed if kansas got a BCS bid for going undefeated in a league that potentailly pits you against teams like wyoming, UNLV, New Mexico, and SDSU.
There are bad teams in every conference. Kansas can currently get an autobid in a conference that features Baylor, Iowa State and Kansas State. Yes, in my scenario there would be really bad teams. There would also be some really good teams they'd have to beat. The top teams in the current MWC would give Kansas all they want and more, and Boise would run roughshod over them in most years. That's no different than USC beating the pulp out of the PAC10 the last 8 years or so. 1-2 good opponents, several teams fighting for a bowl spot with 6 or 7 wins, and several teams with 0-5 wins. I hate to burst your bubble, but that's the way all conferences work for the most part.
Jun 11, 2010 11:51am
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Jun 11, 2010 12:28 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;386654 wrote:I'm a broken record on this. People in New York don't care about football, especially college football unless they are Notre Dame fans, or from Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio or Texas and take their football viewership with them. Rutgers means nothing. Let me put it in another way. MARYLAND has more of a football following in the NYC area than Rutgers. The Maryland alumni club(s) actually have events and participation. Rutgers doesn't, in any sport.

Cable boxes alone would put around $46 million in the Big Ten's pockets
Jun 11, 2010 12:28pm
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Jun 11, 2010 2:32 PM
Crucify me if I am wrong, but I am hearing from sources (aka bloggers who have sources) that it is officially official. No link
Jun 11, 2010 2:32pm
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Jun 11, 2010 2:38 PM
gorocks99;386931 wrote:Yeah .. .but there isn't any official announcement until later, so "sources" are the best we'll get.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100611/NEWS/306119977#it-is-done-nu-to-the-big-ten

Let's just say the sources are more solid after the meeting started. AKA someone behind closed doors texting a media member.

Let's be clear though, I am not saying I have special sources. A guy I know from another forum is a beat writer in Nebraska who happens to have a family member in the meeting. He is like "I never get shit like this, lol"
Jun 11, 2010 2:38pm
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Jun 11, 2010 2:40 PM
lol @ It is Done.

It's like God said to Nebraska, "You shall join the Big Ten and it is Good."
Jun 11, 2010 2:40pm
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Jun 11, 2010 2:45 PM
and the dominoes begin to fall...
Jun 11, 2010 2:45pm
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Jun 11, 2010 2:54 PM
killdeer;386391 wrote:this quote says WAY more about ND fans than it does about the quality of ND's programs.
Again...elitist completely to the point of irrelevancy.
Amazing.
Thanks for the laughs.

BTW, I hope Italy bites it this weekend.


Bullshit. It says something about one ND fan. I don't doubt that there are other ND fans out there who share views similar to his but making blanket statements about a fan base is asinine.
Jun 11, 2010 2:54pm
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Jun 11, 2010 3:05 PM
It's official -- and they want to start play in 2011.

That's gonna mean some schedules need to be shook up, pronto.
Jun 11, 2010 3:05pm
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Jun 11, 2010 3:09 PM
I'd be shocked to see 2011, Penn State took 3 years to start Big 10 play.
Jun 11, 2010 3:09pm
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Jun 11, 2010 3:13 PM
2012 Big Ten Conference Championship game- Saturday December 8th, 7pm, Lucas Oil Stadium- Ohio State (East) vs Nebraska (West)
Jun 11, 2010 3:13pm
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Jun 11, 2010 3:22 PM
LJ;386968 wrote:I'd be shocked to see 2011, Penn State took 3 years to start Big 10 play.

This is a very different scenario -- because the Big 12 is basically booting them out by saying, if they stay, they lose half their typical income (at least that's what I recall reading when the ultimatum happened).

I can see the Big Ten re-working schedules by buying out one non-conference game each for the division that Nebraska ends up in, plus several cross-over games. Maybe you're looking at reworking the schedules for 8 teams, and then you simply split all the revenues for those teams that don't get Nebraska at home. Your overall revenue for that year takes a bit of a hit -- or maybe not if the Big Ten Network can up its fees now that Nebraska is on-board.

In any case, it's a one year problem -- unless things really start changing dramatically and some other teams end up in the league. Then you rinse and repeat the process for 2012.
Jun 11, 2010 3:22pm
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Jun 11, 2010 3:25 PM
LJ;386968 wrote:I'd be shocked to see 2011, Penn State took 3 years to start Big 10 play.

The nebraska chancellor said in the live video stream about 15 minutes ago that they would be in the Big 10 in 2011. One more year of B12 and they are out.
Jun 11, 2010 3:25pm
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Jun 11, 2010 3:25 PM
I've been watching the Nebraska Board of Regents meeting live online and they just voted unanimously to make it official to submit an application to the Big Ten and CIC.
Jun 11, 2010 3:25pm
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Jun 11, 2010 3:29 PM
They were talking about large monetary penalties for Nebraska because their contracts are for 2 years with each conference team, so 2010 and 2011 season. I'll find the link...
Jun 11, 2010 3:29pm