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Jun 3, 2010 12:24 PM
you said it yourself, this did not effect the outcome of the game. that means there is even less reason to overturn the call. when it comes down to it, you would be overturning the call for a statistic. thats all a perfect game is in reality.

haha and what if for some crazy reason, Donald has a career ending injury much later in the future and only has 3,999 hits. does the MLB go back and reverse the perfect game call again to give him 4,000 hits?
Jun 3, 2010 12:24pm
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Jun 3, 2010 12:41 PM
is there a link where someone from MLB said they may review this call? this seems untrue to me. i have heard numerous reporters and bloggers call for it but nothing from MLB
Jun 3, 2010 12:41pm
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Jun 3, 2010 12:56 PM
there's too many intstances that can be opened up if this were to be overturned. I want to see the umpires get it right as much as anybody else, as a former player and coach I always do.

I don't want to see the last remaining human element of the game go away. As others have said, the umpires are a part of baseball and good and bad calls have been made for centuries before, this game and the last two nights in Toronto, and will be made in the future.

But I don't want to see it get to a point where every close call at first base during a game will be reviewed. It will kill pace of play, which the league already struggles with and is a detractor from fans who say the game take too long already.

Leave it be. I'm sorry Armando, but it goes down as a 1 hit shutout.
Jun 3, 2010 12:56pm
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Jun 3, 2010 1:16 PM
Everyone in the world knows that kid threw a perfect game. Why not give him the recognition he deserves, b/c the perfect game did indeed happen.

I think Selig should do the right thing, award the perfecto, and that will be the end of it. Book it and put an * next to it if you want, but recognize what the kid did in fact accomplish.
Jun 3, 2010 1:16pm
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Jun 3, 2010 1:24 PM
^^^^

The city of Detroit did today. He was presented a convertible before the game today and the governor made a proclomation this morning as well
Jun 3, 2010 1:24pm
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Jun 3, 2010 1:27 PM
If you can fix it and it has zero affect on anything else, why not fix it? It's that simple.
Jun 3, 2010 1:27pm
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Jun 3, 2010 1:29 PM
Because of precedence.
Jun 3, 2010 1:29pm
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Jun 3, 2010 1:29 PM
^^^^

because there's never been any precedence in the game to do it before.

I'll give you an example. Robin Ventura hit a walk off grand slam during the playoffs in '99 I believe, and one of his teammates touched him between 1st and 2nd base. This is technically construed as interference(sonofanump maybe you can help me out on this) and instead of being credited with the grandslam, he was credited with an RBI single, and the Mets ended up with a 1 run win.

It wouldn't have changed the outcome had they gave it a grand slam, but MLB didn't change it in that instance either.
Jun 3, 2010 1:29pm
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Jun 3, 2010 1:35 PM
the game needs to be decided on the field....
if MLB wants to go ahead and implement instant replay...that would be a complete different matter...have the opportunity...during the game...to revise or review questionable calls;

but to retroactively change the ruling on the field days, or potentially weeks, after the game opens up a mighty stinky kettle of fish.
Jun 3, 2010 1:35pm
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Jun 3, 2010 1:40 PM
don't overturn it after the fact (that's a very slippery slope) just get replay similar to hockey...where the league office reviews everything and reports back to representatives at the game whether the call needs to changed
Jun 3, 2010 1:40pm
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Jun 3, 2010 2:36 PM
KnightXC1;377901 wrote:They aren't opening up a can of worms by changing this call. This was the final out of a perfect game, not a missed tag in the top of the 4th inning. This is a situation that has never happened in the over 130 year history of professional baseball and will likely not happen again in our lifetime. The Tigers, Indians, fans, players, and umps know what the right call was and baseball loses nothing by changing this.

It is a slippery slope, but I agree with this.
Jun 3, 2010 2:36pm
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Jun 3, 2010 3:05 PM
This just in, Selig refuses to acknowledge this as a perfect game.

This will probably be the downfall of Mr. Selig, as if the debacles of both the All Star game being voted on by fans and the All Star game determining home field advantage for the World Series wasn't bad enough.
Jun 3, 2010 3:05pm
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Jun 3, 2010 3:06 PM
Wooball;377917 wrote:What do you do when the Tigers and Twins are playing. In the 9th inning with the tying run on 3rd base Austin Jackson hits one up the middle. The O-Dog makes a phenomenal play to throw to 1st base. Jackson is called safe because Morneau pulled his foot. After a steal of 2nd is driven in on a game winning single. Say this happened September 26th, a few days later MLB decides to look back at this call and it is obvious Morneau's foot was still on the bag when he caught the ball, takes the win away from the Tigers because that was the last out of the game, and the kitty's miss the playoffs by 1 game. You can't go back after the fact and change this call, it just leaves too many options open that are not apart of baseball. It is fine to correct the call there on the field, but don't do it days later.

Completely different situation. If that situation happens for either team and they miss the playoffs by a game, then they should have won one more game during the regular season. Not even in the same realm as this because they would not go back and review that days later. We are talking the day after a potential perfect game where the next guy up was out anyways. It takes nothing away from anyone to change the call and give Armando what he rightfully earned last night.

I don't buy this crap about having no precedence for this. Last night gives the MLB a precedence to change the call and if something like this were to happen again in a perfect game situation. Selig would look great by overturning this and no one in baseball would complain one bit. Many managers and players from around the league that weighed in on this said it should be reversed so obviously a lot of people think that is the right thing to do.
Jun 3, 2010 3:06pm
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Jun 3, 2010 3:08 PM
Jughead;378140 wrote:This just in, Selig refuses to acknowledge this as a perfect game.

This will probably be the downfall of Mr. Selig, as if the debacles of both the All Star game being voted on by fans and the All Star game determining home field advantage for the World Series wasn't bad enough.

along with the infamous "tie" in the All-Star game--ole Bud's legacy is fading fast...
Jun 3, 2010 3:08pm
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Jun 3, 2010 3:11 PM
Bud is going to be criticized for a long time about this, to go along with the ton of other dumb things he has done since being the commish. Just stupid.
Jun 3, 2010 3:11pm
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Jun 3, 2010 3:14 PM
KnightXC1;378145 wrote:Bud is going to be criticized for a long time about this, to go along with the ton of other dumb things he has done since being the commish. Just stupid.

i can't fault bud for not overturning the call because i don't want it opening up a whole bag of worms in the future...now if this doesn't lead to replay, then yes, criticize the holy hell out of him
Jun 3, 2010 3:14pm
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Jun 3, 2010 3:15 PM
Here is the statement Selig issued:

"First, on behalf of Major League Baseball, I congratulate Armando Galarraga on a remarkable pitching performance. All of us who love the game appreciate the historic nature of his effort last night. "The dignity and class of the entire Detroit Tigers organization under such circumstances were truly admirable and embodied good sportsmanship of the highest order. Armando and Detroit manager Jim Leyland are to be commended for their handling of a very difficult situation. I also applaud the courage of umpire Jim Joyce to address this unfortunate situation honestly and directly. Jim's candor illustrates why he has earned the respect of on-field personnel throughout his accomplished career in the Major Leagues since 1989. "As Jim Joyce said in his postgame comments, there is no dispute that last night's game should have ended differently. While the human element has always been an integral part of baseball, it is vital that mistakes on the field be addressed. Given last night's call and other recent events, I will examine our umpiring system, the expanded use of instant replay and all other related features. Before I announce any decisions, I will consult with all appropriate parties, including our two unions and the Special Committee for On-Field Matters, which consists of field managers, general managers, club owners and presidents.”

Doesn't say he won't change it but doesn't say he will. Basically doing the same thing he has done for years, say nothing.
Jun 3, 2010 3:15pm
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Jun 3, 2010 3:18 PM
Jughead;378140 wrote:This just in, Selig refuses to acknowledge this as a perfect game.

This will probably be the downfall of Mr. Selig, as if the debacles of both the All Star game being voted on by fans and the All Star game determining home field advantage for the World Series wasn't bad enough.

I just want to add to the bolded...it is a good idea in principle. The problem is that there are so many fans of some teams and not so many of others. The Yankees and Red Sox are almost guaranteed to have at least 4 players in each All Star Game, while some smaller markets may be having a ridiculous season, yet will only get 1 or 2 players. It's all a damn popularity contest, whether or not those players are good enough to make the roster or not.
Jun 3, 2010 3:18pm
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Jun 3, 2010 3:24 PM
IMO, Selig missed a chance to do the right thing. Galarraga threw a perfect game, no question about it. To take that away from him because of human error, especially when the outcome of the game was not changed in the slightest, is a mistake.

Also, of course there is no precedence in this instance. It has never happened. If you are going to take that mindset, then why have an MLB Rules Committee? Wasn't there also "no precedence" in reviewing homeruns through instant replay? This is a once in a million occurrence. Further, to reverse the call would give Joyce a piece of mind. I think the pros of awarding the perfect game far outweigh the cons.

But as i said, its just my humble opinion. I think either viewpoint is reasonable.
Jun 3, 2010 3:24pm
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Jun 3, 2010 3:24 PM
Dear Bud Selig,

You suck and are a moron. Thanks for nothing.

Signed,
Everyone.
Jun 3, 2010 3:24pm
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Jun 3, 2010 3:40 PM
^^ +1000000
Jun 3, 2010 3:40pm
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Jun 3, 2010 3:53 PM
dat dude;378170 wrote:IMO, Selig missed a chance to do the right thing. Galarraga threw a perfect game, no question about it. To take that away from him because of human error, especially when the outcome of the game was not changed in the slightest, is a mistake.

Also, of course there is no precedence in this instance. It has never happened. If you are going to take that mindset, then why have an MLB Rules Committee? Wasn't there also "no precedence" in reviewing homeruns through instant replay? This is a once in a million occurrence. Further, to reverse the call would give Joyce a piece of mind. I think the pros of awarding the perfect game far outweigh the cons.

But as i said, its just my humble opinion. I think either viewpoint is reasonable.

The issue is not if there needs to be a rule in place; the issue is in overturning something when there is NO RULE in place. If this leads to the rule, that's great -- but because there is NO RULE about it currently on the books, you can't just up and make one that applies posthumously for this play ONLY.
Jun 3, 2010 3:53pm
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Jun 3, 2010 3:58 PM
gorocks99;378215 wrote:The issue is not if there needs to be a rule in place; the issue is in overturning something when there is NO RULE in place. If this leads to the rule, that's great -- but because there is NO RULE about it currently on the books, you can't just up and make one that applies posthumously for this play ONLY.

Are you arguing that procedurally "you (who is you?) can't just up and make one?" Or are you arguing in a sense that it "just wouldn't be right?" Because it is my understanding that Selig would have the ability to issue a ruling to change a call should he feel so inclined.
Jun 3, 2010 3:58pm
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Jun 3, 2010 3:58 PM


"Duh...umm...duh...whadda youse guys think?"

"Mr. Commissioner, we would like you to do the right thing here."

"Huh...wha...hey, I know what to do. Goes and gets me a hot dog with summa dat stadium mustard."

"No, Mr. Selig. We're talking about the game. You should do the right thing about the game."

"Duh...how...why...where am I?"

"Screw it, that guy is more useless than Ted Williams frozen head."

"Wait guys...say...whooza gonna get me that hot dog?"

Later that day...

The commissioner's office announces that all controversial calls will now be settled by a best-of-three rock-paper-scissors showdown between bullpen catchers. All instant replay is now abolished unless someone gets commissioner Selig a hot dog with "summa dat stadium mustard."
Jun 3, 2010 3:58pm