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bartsimpson

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Jun 3, 2010 10:49 AM
Wow, common sense in a pro sports league....hard to believe. I know, I know, they don't have review, but this play is a history making event. Absolutely nothing happened after this play to affect the game so if baseball wants to have any integrity at all they have to fix this. It's already a joke that MLB is by far the most poorly officiated of any of the major sports and it is the only major sport that doesn't allow replays and now this. There's no reason why this can't be changed.
Jun 3, 2010 10:49am
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thedynasty1998

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Jun 3, 2010 10:53 AM
I'm not a baseball fan, but I don't like this.
Jun 3, 2010 10:53am
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gorocks99

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Jun 3, 2010 10:55 AM
Yeah, reviewing the call is lame. You know the rules, don't posthumously change the call when you don't do it for anything else. It will stand as testament to one of the last major failures of the human element in baseball.
Jun 3, 2010 10:55am
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SportsAndLady

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Jun 3, 2010 10:56 AM
I don't like this either
Jun 3, 2010 10:56am
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rugbywrestler

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Jun 3, 2010 11:02 AM
Don't think this is a can of worms they want to open
Jun 3, 2010 11:02am
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darbypitcher22

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Jun 3, 2010 11:05 AM
I don't like this either. It would taint what was already tainted to begin with.

I'm all for the commish having the "what's good for the game" veto power deal, but this would open up pretty much every poor call before this(Don Denkinger 85 WS) and others to be overturned along with it. People would be screaming for it.

They need to leave it as it is. One of the great things, and sad things about baseball is the human element and its ability to determine the outcome of a game. If they tinker with this or expanded replay anymore than what they've already done, I think it will severely damage the game, not only on the credibility of officials but will also affect things like pace of play
Jun 3, 2010 11:05am
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bartsimpson

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Jun 3, 2010 11:08 AM
Are you kidding? The only thing damaging to the game right now is the officiating and this just enforces that thought even more. This was a game-ending play and should be reviewed just the same a game-ending home run (which is allowed now). I wouldn't have as much problem with it had it occured in the 5th or 6th inning because at that point you are changing the potential outcome of a game....this play wouldn't because had the right call been made the game is over.
Jun 3, 2010 11:08am
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jordo212000

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Jun 3, 2010 11:09 AM
This would make for a very slippery slope...
Jun 3, 2010 11:09am
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hasbeen

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Jun 3, 2010 11:10 AM
I don't want overturned calls or replay in baseball. Umpires are part of the "game of inches."
Jun 3, 2010 11:10am
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gorocks99

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Jun 3, 2010 11:12 AM
What if Cleveland had put on three guys and hit a grand slam (after the missed call), and ended up winning the game? Do you rescind their W and alter their record after the review?
Jun 3, 2010 11:12am
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Sage

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Jun 3, 2010 11:12 AM
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
Jun 3, 2010 11:12am
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krambman

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Jun 3, 2010 11:17 AM
See, I'm a progressive. I'm one of those people who believes that in a sport like baseball or tennis, where technologies exist to make the right call almost instantly, that we should eliminate the human element completely. I'm sick and tired of games, matches, etc. being ruined or the outcome being determined by an individual making a wrong call when technology exists to make the right one instantly. I think we could still have a few umps on the field, but with strike zone technology that all the networks use someone in a booth could just indicate on the scoreboard whether a pitch was a strike or ball as quickly as an ump can now. And replay could determine if a base runner was out or safe within seconds of the play. I think the whole "the human element makes it exciting" argument is stupid. The human element makes it fallible. If anything the technology (if used correctly) might speed up the pace of play and not slow it down.
Jun 3, 2010 11:17am
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Nate

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Jun 3, 2010 11:22 AM
1 step closer to instant replay unfortunately.
Jun 3, 2010 11:22am
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Writerbuckeye

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Jun 3, 2010 11:43 AM
MLB is a broken system, anyway, so I could care less if they screw themselves up even more.
Jun 3, 2010 11:43am
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Jun 3, 2010 11:44 AM
There is no way you can go back and change this call. Like others have said, there have been many poor calls that have influenced games or even seasons to make this exception. Also, I do not like the expansion of replay in MLB. I know it can help correct some wrong calls, but the umpire is a part of baseball, probably more apart of baseball than any other sporting event.

The #1 change I would like to see with umpiring baseball at every level is for the umpires not to be too proud or egotistical to actually converse with their fellow umpires on the field about a close safe/out call. Or basically any call that is not balls and strikes. In every other sports officials will talk calls over with each other and are not afraid to change their call. But in baseball this NEVER happens. If last night Jim Joyce would have called the other umps together and discussed the call and had an open mind, more than likely the right call is made and this is a non-issue. The same can be said for many blown calls. And how many times at lower levels do base umpires just completely blow a call, and you can tell that home plate umpire saw it correctly, but it doesn't matter because they will not be asked for help? Or how about when the umpire says, sorry I blew that one. It's great that they will admit to missing it, but why not right at that time, call in the rest of the crew and make the correct change? If this would happen in baseball it would be a lot better off.
Jun 3, 2010 11:44am
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Jun 3, 2010 11:46 AM
I wouldn't mind if they did replay like tennis or football. Have real life umpires and then if there is a call that the manager thinks was wrong, he can come out and ask for a challenge. (Just challenges regarding safe/out in the field, and home runs) Just give them one per game since there is no real good way to penalize the managers for using them (time outs in football)
Jun 3, 2010 11:46am
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jordo212000

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Jun 3, 2010 11:47 AM
Writerbuckeye;377892 wrote:MLB is a broken system, anyway, so I could care less if they screw themselves up even more.

Why? Because you say so? Or because your former favorite team is clueless? haha
Jun 3, 2010 11:47am
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KnightXC1

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Jun 3, 2010 11:49 AM
They aren't opening up a can of worms by changing this call. This was the final out of a perfect game, not a missed tag in the top of the 4th inning. This is a situation that has never happened in the over 130 year history of professional baseball and will likely not happen again in our lifetime. The Tigers, Indians, fans, players, and umps know what the right call was and baseball loses nothing by changing this.
Jun 3, 2010 11:49am
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Jun 3, 2010 11:50 AM
jordo212000;377898 wrote:Why? Because you say so? Or because your former favorite team is clueless? haha

I'm not the only one who thinks it's a broken system -- and my former team isn't clueless, just cheap -- like a lot of others. They enjoy playing farm team for the Skankees and others.

Thus the "broken" label.
Jun 3, 2010 11:50am
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Jun 3, 2010 11:54 AM
I consider myself to be a baseball purist (get rid of the DH, interleague play, WS homefield advantage being determined by the All-Star game result and the unbalanced schedule) but instant replay is absolutely something that needs added to the game. I'm not sure I want to move to electronically called balls and strikes, but events like that from yesterday can't happen. It's bad for the pitcher, the umpire, the teams and baseball as a whole. I absolutely think this bad call should be overturned and the perfect game should stand. No other games need reviewed because this one gets opened up. Those seasons are over and games have been played since then. If they make the right call today, then literally nothing is lost by fixing the bad call.
Jun 3, 2010 11:54am
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Jun 3, 2010 11:58 AM
They cannot overturn that call.
Jun 3, 2010 11:58am
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thedynasty1998

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Jun 3, 2010 11:59 AM
When Halladay threw his perfect game, I remember seeing the replay where there was a 3-1 pitch on the corner that was called a strike. I don't really remember if it was indeed a strike or not, but what if it were a ball, is that now reviewed to throw out his perfect game? Or if the call went the other way, do you review it?
Jun 3, 2010 11:59am
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Jun 3, 2010 12:02 PM
If they want to change the rules to allow for instant replay/review of close calls on baserunning, that's fine. But they can't go back and overturn this call from this game.
Jun 3, 2010 12:02pm
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Jun 3, 2010 12:02 PM
KnightXC1;377901 wrote:They aren't opening up a can of worms by changing this call. This was the final out of a perfect game, not a missed tag in the top of the 4th inning. This is a situation that has never happened in the over 130 year history of professional baseball and will likely not happen again in our lifetime. The Tigers, Indians, fans, players, and umps know what the right call was and baseball loses nothing by changing this.

What do you do when the Tigers and Twins are playing. In the 9th inning with the tying run on 3rd base Austin Jackson hits one up the middle. The O-Dog makes a phenomenal play to throw to 1st base. Jackson is called safe because Morneau pulled his foot. After a steal of 2nd is driven in on a game winning single. Say this happened September 26th, a few days later MLB decides to look back at this call and it is obvious Morneau's foot was still on the bag when he caught the ball, takes the win away from the Tigers because that was the last out of the game, and the kitty's miss the playoffs by 1 game. You can't go back after the fact and change this call, it just leaves too many options open that are not apart of baseball. It is fine to correct the call there on the field, but don't do it days later.
Jun 3, 2010 12:02pm
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Jun 3, 2010 12:06 PM
It didn't affect the result of the game nor the score.

The commish does has the authority to flag any record he wants, and can require MLB to recognize this game among the list of official perfect games with an asterisk if he so chose.

Sykotyk
Jun 3, 2010 12:06pm