IggyPride00;377328 wrote:Timmy K says that umpires get that call right 100,000 out of 100,001 times and that he clearly blew it tonight. As he said, Jim Joyce, and Jim Joyce alone deprived him of the perfect game he threw tonight because he did retire 27 out of 27 he just didn't get credit for it.
justincredible;377331 wrote:He threw the first 28-out perfect game in MLB history, that's for sure.
Ironman92;377354 wrote:18-10 2.84 ERA 269 innings 3rd in CY Young 5 straight 13+ win seasons
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wittmi01.shtml
Glory Days;377383 wrote:For everyone saying he should be fired. should he be fired if it was a half a step the other way and he was called out when he should have been safe?
Manhattan Buckeye;377454 wrote:You can't be serious. The photos are on the first page. It could easily and often does get much closer. The feet could come down in near unison. It wasn't hard to tell at all. Again I don't think the ump should be fired but it was a horrifically blown call, if it wasn't we wouldn't be discussing it. Are you related to Joyce?
Donald Anton Denkinger (pronounced /ˈdɛŋkɨndʒər/, born August 28, 1936 in Cedar Falls, Iowa) is a former Major League Baseball umpire who worked in the American League from 1969 to 1998.[1] Denkinger wore uniform number 11, when the AL adopted uniform numbers in 1980. He is best remembered for an incorrect call he made at first base in Game 6 of the 1985 World Series, known as the second worst call in MLB history, behind Jim Joyce's safe call to ruin Armando Galarraga's perfect game on June 2, 2010.[2]
Manhattan Buckeye;377454 wrote:You can't be serious. The photos are on the first page.
ts1227;377462 wrote:Here is how Don Denkinger's Wikipedia page now starts out:
Glory Days;377460 wrote:the photos? haha you just made my point. its easy to see in photos and replays. the only full speed replay it is kinda easy to tell is the angle from the first base coach's view.
Glory Days;377460 wrote:the photos? haha you just made my point. its easy to see in photos and replays. the only full speed replay it is kinda easy to tell is the angle from the first base coach's view.
See, it's exaggerations like this that drive me nuts. Take a look at the pictures on page one and tell me he was out by 'a full step'. A full step means he was just starting his last stride before reaching the bag, and the second picture shows Donald's foot to be about 12-18 inches from the bag.Laley23;377471 wrote:The runner was out by a full step.
Donald was out by a mile.
) who has been around a long time to blow that.
Manhattan Buckeye;377469 wrote:In real time on tv it was obvious Galarraga had possession of the ball and beat the runner to the bag...he actually was deliberate in his movement toward the bag. Could you tell if he touched it? I couldn't. But I could tell he beat the runner to the spot. How the umpire could miss this is unfortunate, are you even watching espn now?
Laley23;377471 wrote:ok, but there are literally 5 plays a game that are closer. This wasnt a close play. The runner was out by a full step. A bang bang play is when the runner is out by stuff you can barely tell by replay.
I mean, play that is a half step is routine for these guys. This was more than that. I can think of routine grounders that end up closer than this play. Dont let Galarraga running over confuse you. Donald was out by a mile.
KnightXC1;377495 wrote:^^ Correct. There are many closer plays that happen throughout a season. The plays where even replay can't tell are bang-bang plays. When replay shows the guy out by a step, that's not close.
When a guy who has been covering baseball for 30 years says it was perhaps the worst call ever, it probably is.
kayo;377484 wrote:See, it's exaggerations like this that drive me nuts. Take a look at the pictures on page one and tell me he was out by 'a full step'. A full step means he was just starting his last stride before reaching the bag, and the second picture shows Donald's foot to be about 12-18 inches from the bag.
Hopefully Leyland's comments will hold more sway than the 'huge cry' from the nattering nabobs of negativism: "I'm sure somebody is going to say, 'if we had replay on that play, that kid would have a perfect game.' Somebody will say something about that, but not me," Leyland said. "That's the human element. Umpires do a great job. There's no question about that. They're a whole lot right more than they are wrong. They make some unbelievable calls on bang-bang plays."KnightXC1;377495 wrote:Can't punish the ump sadly but you will see a huge cry for instance replay after this but Bud will take about 8 years to decide on that.
