Earlier you were defending their brutal tactics, now some of those brutal tactics are not nice even when used against the servicepeople of the powerful United States.
A small step in the right direction.
Somethings are cut and dry. People who kill American servicepeople are bad people.
How about this statement. Hopefully all those trying to kill American servicepeople will be killed before they are successful. You endorse that statement?

isadore;380382 wrote:Earlier you were defending their brutal tactics, now some of those brutal tactics are not nice even when used against the servicepeople of the powerful United States.
A small step in the right direction.
Somethings are cut and dry. People who kill American servicepeople are bad people.
How about this statement. Hopefully all those trying to kill American servicepeople will be killed before they are successful. You endorse that statement?

I Wear Pants;380305 wrote:
Answer me this, how should someone (for the sake of this example we'll assume that this person or their family is not involved with any extremist groups) who lives in Iraq react if they are out getting food or working or doing whatever and when they come home they find their entire family dead from an American bomb. How is this person to react? Are they supposed to see our soldiers as liberators still? Is this person wanting to fight American soldiers not at least somewhat of a rational response?

I was never defending their tactics. I was merely trying to say that I understand why they are used. Understanding the reasoning behind an action is not the same as approving of it. I understand why some people choose to shoot heroin but I don't approve of it.

You still haven't answered my questions in quotes because you can't. You like to think that Iraqi's or Afghani's or whoever are less than people. Their lives are somehow less meaningful than mine or yours because they were born in a different place.

"" So we have the right to just run roughshod over anyone and they are automatically the bad guys for using gorilla/brutal tactics that are their only real way to fight. We are too large an enemy for almost any single country to fight. Is everyone just supposed to bow to our will then?"

That is a defense of their tactics.
I have answered your question several times, people who kill American servicepeople are bad people. Hopefully they will be killed before they are successful. You consistently refuse to endorse that statement. People who try to kill our servicepeople are not good people.
How about the next time a US serviceperson is being buried, you stand out there next to those westboro people with a sign that says "YOUR SON WAS KILLED BY A GOOD GUY"

LJ;375673 wrote:BTW, the U.S. has an embassy and multiple military bases in Okinawa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa

Are you serious? Apples to oranges. We earned the right to be there at the price of tens of thousands of dead and wounded American Marines and soldiers.

You still didn't answer the question. At all.

What is the person in the scenario I described supposed to do?

And you're still projecting. Understanding that they probably use these less than savory tactics because they see no other option is not endorsing them. I've said I don't endorse them numerous times but I guess you'd rather just keep putting words in people's mouths to avoid actually debating anything.

It's amazing that you think you're better or somehow different than everyone else in the world.

Pants, just some advice (lol) seeing as how I think you need it.
You will never have the last word with Isi. Ever. This can and probably will continue for another 40 pages or until a mod gets sick of it. At some point everybody, and I mean everybody, has to decide just how much the worth of it is to them. (I think you should decide that now)

The words in your mouth are your own:

"" So we have the right to just run roughshod over anyone and they are automatically the bad guys for using gorilla/brutal tactics that are their only real way to fight. We are too large an enemy for almost any single country to fight. Is everyone just supposed to bow to our will then?"

They should not be called bad guys, their tactics as their only choice they have against evil America “running roughshod over the world, forcing everyone to bow down to us.
That is an endorsement of their tactics, and your view that they are not bad guys. And you have not renounced them.
Your heart bleeds for these poor killers of American who you refuse to denounce.

Well to me anyone who tries to kill American service people are evil
Hopefully they will be killed before they are successful, or are you hoping for their success as one small step in stopping that horrible, roughshod riding United States. The country that has done more to spread freedom than any other nation in history.
To some like yourself, I am obviously mistaken but I feel American service people make protect us, make great and sometimes the ultimate sacrifice for us. Anyone trying to kill them is evil. You do not see it that way.

Bottom line on this, whether you believe there's an insidious plan behind building this mosque or not...

Suggesting that a mosque be built so close to where 3,000 people were slain by Islamic extremists is RIDICULOUSLY INSENSITIVE and a slap in the face to those who lost family and friends on Sept. 11.

To suggest otherwise (that it is somehow a tribute or a way to bridge relations between religions) is nonsense.

There are hundreds of other ways the message of peace can be sent without basically defiling a site so many Americans now consider a sacred memorial to innocent people who were targeted and slain by fanatics who wanted to kill as many innocent people as possible and create as much fear as possible by doing so.

I find it highly ironic (and distasteful) that a man of God would be the one leading this insult. A true man of God would be more sensitive to the families of those who were killed and never propose such a thing.

Let us reverse this for a second. Do you believe even for one instant that if the situation were that the US had DELIBERATELY TARGETED AND KILLED innocent civilians...and a Christian group came in later and wanted to build a church on or near that site it would be well received by Muslims?

Of course not. Nobody believes that.

You can try and use political correctness and diversity arguments until you are blue in the face, but some things warrant respect and reverence, and more sensitivity than is being shown here.

If there is any justice in this world -- this abomination will be overturned later this month one of the complete boards that has to approve this has its meeting.

CenterBHSFan;380546 wrote:Pants, just some advice (lol) seeing as how I think you need it.
You will never have the last word with Isi. Ever. This can and probably will continue for another 40 pages or until a mod gets sick of it. At some point everybody, and I mean everybody, has to decide just how much the worth of it is to them. (I think you should decide that now)

I know. I kind of just want to see how many times he can reword the same thing he's been saying.

Trolling a troll is tricky business.

Writerbuckeye;380592 wrote: Let us reverse this for a second. Do you believe even for one instant that if the situation were that the US had DELIBERATELY TARGETED AND KILLED innocent civilians...and a Christian group came in later and wanted to build a church on or near that site it would be well received by Muslims?

Those people would be being just as illogical as it's likely that that specific Christian group had nothing to do with the US attack.

I do understand why people would see this as distasteful though. And I don't live in NYC so I don't care whether it goes up or not.

Spec. Jonathan K. Peney
Hometown:Marietta, Georgia, U.S.

Age:22 years old

Died:June 1, 2010 in Operation Enduring Freedom.

Unit:Army, 1st Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, Hunter Army Airfield, Ga.

Incident: Died in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, of wounds sustained when he was shot by enemy forces\
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/dates/2010/jun/01/jonathan--k-peney/
The people who killed him were evil.

This thread is going nowhere.