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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jun 1, 2010 4:55pm
rmolin73;375070 wrote:This happened to me and my fiance last year in a nice little town called Rudolph.
This pissed this douchebag off but there was nothing he could do but get back in his car and drive off.
Actually, he could have dicked around with you for a couple of hours completely within the law before driving off. You got lucky for being that stupid.
krazie45
Posts: 1,055
Jun 1, 2010 5:01pm
queencitybuckeye;375689 wrote:Actually, he could have dicked around with you for a couple of hours completely within the law before driving off. You got lucky for being that stupid.
Eh....not completely true. He could've asked "Am I under arrest or otherwise detained?" If the cop says no (which is all he could say given that situation), legally he would be allowed to leave.
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Jun 1, 2010 5:03pm
Those were my thoughts exactly because he stopped me for no reason.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jun 1, 2010 5:23pm
queencitybuckeye;375689 wrote:Actually, he could have dicked around with you for a couple of hours completely within the law before driving off. You got lucky for being that stupid.
State of Ohio case law says they can detain you on a traffic stop as long as it takes to run you and have a dog walk around and subsequent possible search. At that point they pretty much have to let you go.
sej
Posts: 540
Jun 1, 2010 6:24pm
Hell, getting a dog here takes an hour on a good day. We've waited 3-4 hours for one before.
krazie45
Posts: 1,055
Jun 1, 2010 6:44pm
sej;375765 wrote:Hell, getting a dog here takes an hour on a good day. We've waited 3-4 hours for one before.
True, but an officer cannot detain you simply on waiting for the dog to get there. He would need to provide a reason to detain you.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jun 1, 2010 6:46pm
krazie45;375779 wrote:True, but an officer cannot detain you simply on waiting for the dog to get there. He would need to provide a reason to detain you.
Yes they can. It's Ohio Case Law
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Jun 1, 2010 6:53pm
krazie45;375779 wrote:True, but an officer cannot detain you simply on waiting for the dog to get there. He would need to provide a reason to detain you.
a cop who can articulate his reasoning well can do a lot of things.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jun 1, 2010 6:54pm
BUT, A cop cannot just keep you there longer than reasonable just to try to get you to slip up or "sweat it out".
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jun 1, 2010 6:56pm
Yep. He could simply have asked to search the car (and no, he doesn't need a reason to ask). You refuse, he calls for the dog, you're there an hour or two for contempt of cop.LJ;375782 wrote:Yes they can. It's Ohio Case Law
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jun 1, 2010 7:00pm
queencitybuckeye;375790 wrote:Yep. He could simply have asked to search the car (and no, he doesn't need a reason to ask). You refuse, he calls for the dog, you're there an hour or two for contempt of cop.
But denying the cop to search the car is not reasonable suspicion. So if the cop is just trying to hassle you, he can't detain you once you refuse, in the state of Ohio.
krazie45
Posts: 1,055
Jun 1, 2010 7:02pm
LJ;375782 wrote:Yes they can. It's Ohio Case Law
Well then I suppose it would just be an unnecessary hassle for both parties involved.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Jun 1, 2010 7:14pm
I barely have any respect for the police.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Jun 1, 2010 7:17pm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37177942/ns/us_news/
Shit like that is why.
The Detroit police murdered a seven year old who was sleeping on her sofa. Real fucking heroes they are.
Shit like that is why.
The Detroit police murdered a seven year old who was sleeping on her sofa. Real fucking heroes they are.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Jun 1, 2010 7:18pm
LJ;375792 wrote:But denying the cop to search the car is not reasonable suspicion. So if the cop is just trying to hassle you, he can't detain you once you refuse, in the state of Ohio.
Otherwise any cop could pull over and search any vehicle without reasonable suspicion just by asking to search your car. You say no so the cop calls in the dogs and searches anyway. Thankfully, it doesn't work that way.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Jun 1, 2010 7:21pm
I Wear Pants;375805 wrote:I barely have any respect for the police.
what profession(s) do you respect?
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Jun 1, 2010 7:22pm
Glory Days;375817 wrote:what profession(s) do you respect?
Strippers. Those girls work hard.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Jun 1, 2010 7:23pm
tk421;375810 wrote:Otherwise any cop could pull over and search any vehicle without reasonable suspicion just by asking to search your car. You say no so the cop calls in the dogs and searches anyway. Thankfully, it doesn't work that way.
I'm pretty sure if a K9 smells something, it's probable cause to search your car.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Jun 1, 2010 7:26pm
ZWICK 4 PREZ;375822 wrote:I'm pretty sure if a K9 smells something, it's probable cause to search your car.
What I mean is a cop can't pull you over without reasonable suspicion and ask to search your car and use your refusal as reasonable suspicion to go ahead and search anyway. Saying no isn't grounds for the cop to get his way.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Jun 1, 2010 7:27pm
tk421;375829 wrote:What I mean is a cop can't pull you over without reasonable suspicion and ask to search your car and use your refusal as reasonable suspicion to go ahead and search anyway. Saying no isn't grounds for the cop to get his way.
maybe not but it happens daily haha
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Jun 1, 2010 7:32pm
sej;375765 wrote:Hell, getting a dog here takes an hour on a good day. We've waited 3-4 hours for one before.
Whats up with Cincy? Canton PD's got a dog on you in less than 5 min.
krazie45
Posts: 1,055
Jun 1, 2010 7:33pm
ZWICK 4 PREZ;375831 wrote:maybe not but it happens daily haha
As a result of people that are ill-informed about their rights.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Jun 1, 2010 7:35pm
krazie45;375835 wrote:As a result of people that are ill-informed about their rights.
Ha ha, yea. It's funny that the cop shows, where I'd say most Americans get there legal "knowledge", never really go over people's rights. The cops on the shows always get their way and no one ever tells them no.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Jun 1, 2010 7:44pm
krazie45;375794 wrote:Well then I suppose it would just be an unnecessary hassle for both parties involved.
But they are still getting paid in the process.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jun 1, 2010 7:52pm
ZWICK 4 PREZ;375822 wrote:I'm pretty sure if a K9 smells something, it's probable cause to search your car.
Only if the canine can be on scene before the normal process of a ticket would be over unless the cop has an actual, real, good, reasonable suspicion. "You look like a pothead focker" is not, "you are acting and responding like you are high" is.