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May 14, 2010 11:26 AM
Okay, so IF Lebron leaves, and at this point he's done nothing to convince me he's staying because of how it seems that he puts business before basketball, that leaves the Cavs in a hole, what do you think will happen?

Definitely on our roster:
Mo
Green
Boobie
Hickson
Varejao
Jamison
Moon
Parker

Jawad is a restricted FA


I'm assuming we don't resign Shaq and that Z retires.

If I'm correct, that leaves us with enough money to sign 2 max players, because the max contract assuming the salary cap doesn't increase significantly for a player with 7-9 years of experience is around $17.5 million.

So if Lebron leaves, what do you think the Cavs will do, since I believe we'll have the money for 2 max players (Shaq's $20 mil off the books, Lebrons $15 mill off the books).

I personally wouldn't mind a combination of Amar'e and Ray Allen. Ray Allen hasn't lot a step or his deadly jumper.

Please don't turn this into a thread about Lebron, I just want to discuss a post-Lebron world if that happens.
May 14, 2010 11:26am
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May 14, 2010 11:38 AM
It would be interesting to see what kind of moves they would make. I think the roster would be competitive enough to get the 7-8 seed in the East, but that also depends on who's coaching.
May 14, 2010 11:38am
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May 14, 2010 11:49 AM
Even if Lebron leaves, the Cavs still have roughly $48 million in committed salaries for next year. The cap is projected to be somewhere around $56 million.

That is almost no cap room when you consider that $8 million dollars has to fill about 4-5 roster spots.

The team you saw on the floor last night is largely the one you will see next season whether Lebron stays or goes.
May 14, 2010 11:49am
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lhslep134

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May 14, 2010 11:49 AM
Hm after doing much internet research it appears the only way to sign another max player is through a sign and trade.

Wonder if there's any possibility of that.
May 14, 2010 11:49am
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May 14, 2010 11:51 AM
IggyPride00 wrote: Even if Lebron leaves, the Cavs still have roughly $48 million in committed salaries for next year. The cap is projected to be somewhere around $56 million.

That is almost no cap room when you consider that $8 million dollars has to fill about 4-5 roster spots.

The team you saw on the floor last night is largely the one you will see next season whether Lebron stays or goes.
Well that Cavs team salary this year was $84.5 million, so obviously Dan Gilber knows how to stretch the soft cap as far as it will go lol.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm
May 14, 2010 11:51am
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Al Bundy

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May 14, 2010 11:56 AM
lhslep134 wrote: Hm after doing much internet research it appears the only way to sign another max player is through a sign and trade.

Wonder if there's any possibility of that.
I'm not sure who they really have that could return much in a trade. Teams in a sign and trade situation would have better offers from other teams.
May 14, 2010 11:56am
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May 14, 2010 12:02 PM
Sign and trades only work when you have something a team wants. Outside of Lebron, everyone on this roster is way overpaid. No team is going to trade us a super star and take our junk back in return.
May 14, 2010 12:02pm
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May 14, 2010 12:09 PM
I think if Lebron leaves, ownership does a salary dump. maybe not a dump, but definitely no max deals and probably sheds some dollars at the deadline if the team is not in contention. in short, I think they'll be the 2008 pistons all over again.
May 14, 2010 12:09pm
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Al Bundy

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May 14, 2010 12:11 PM
j_crazy wrote: I think if Lebron leaves, ownership does a salary dump. maybe not a dump, but definitely no max deals and probably sheds some dollars at the deadline if the team is not in contention. in short, I think they'll be the 2008 pistons all over again.
I think will be very hard to do a salary dump. No one is going to take the contracts. They would have to wait from some of the contracts to expire before they could do much.
May 14, 2010 12:11pm
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May 14, 2010 12:22 PM
Al Bundy wrote:
j_crazy wrote: I think if Lebron leaves, ownership does a salary dump. maybe not a dump, but definitely no max deals and probably sheds some dollars at the deadline if the team is not in contention. in short, I think they'll be the 2008 pistons all over again.
I think will be very hard to do a salary dump. No one is going to take the contracts. They would have to wait from some of the contracts to expire before they could much.
Yeah, they are really land locked next year as they have literally no expiring contracts to use as assets.

In 2011-12 they have Jamison's $15 million coming off the books I am sure someone would take at the deadline, but it is a tough sell to try and tell Lebron he is going to have to wait a minimum of a season and a half for help to arrive, and then hope whoever comes in integrates within that 30 game period before the playoffs. I just don't see him doing cartwheels given that scenario.
May 14, 2010 12:22pm
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May 14, 2010 12:32 PM
lhslep134 wrote: Okay, so IF Lebron leaves, and at this point he's done nothing to convince me he's staying because of how it seems that he puts business before basketball, that leaves the Cavs in a hole, what do you think will happen?

Definitely on our roster:
Mo
Green
Boobie
Hickson
Varejao
Jamison
Moon
Parker

Jawad is a restricted FA


I'm assuming we don't resign Shaq and that Z retires.

If I'm correct, that leaves us with enough money to sign 2 max players, because the max contract assuming the salary cap doesn't increase significantly for a player with 7-9 years of experience is around $17.5 million.

So if Lebron leaves, what do you think the Cavs will do, since I believe we'll have the money for 2 max players (Shaq's $20 mil off the books, Lebrons $15 mill off the books).

I personally wouldn't mind a combination of Amar'e and Ray Allen. Ray Allen hasn't lot a step or his deadly jumper.

Please don't turn this into a thread about Lebron, I just want to discuss a post-Lebron world if that happens.
Your numbers are waaaaaaaaaaaaay off man. Might want to look more stuff up and become more aware of the salary rules. Like somebody said, you'll have around 8M if SabTel picks up his option.
May 14, 2010 12:32pm
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May 14, 2010 12:39 PM
if SabTel picks up his option.
That's as good as done. No chance he earns anywhere close the $2.7 he could make on the open market. Cavs are stuck with him.
May 14, 2010 12:39pm
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May 14, 2010 12:42 PM
Oh yeah, he'll be laughing the whole time too.
May 14, 2010 12:42pm
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May 14, 2010 12:47 PM
What will happen (if he leaves) is years of irrelevance again -- with it unlikely Gilbert will hang around to own a franchise that is going nowhere fast (assuming he can even find a buyer to sell at a loss).
May 14, 2010 12:47pm
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May 14, 2010 12:49 PM
I can't believe people are letting Lebron off the hook here.

You're basically giving him a free pass to go be a mercenary. Whatever happened to playing for a team and a city and waiting for the window? He's got plenty of good years left. The idea that the team is cap crunched for a year or two and so he is justified in leaving is misguided and wrong.

This isn't the NFL where guys can get bigger contracts and so you can't fault chasing top dollar, to some extent. But Lebron is a primadonna punk if he leaves and I don't know how you could paint it any other way.
May 14, 2010 12:49pm
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Al Bundy

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May 14, 2010 1:05 PM
Writerbuckeye wrote: What will happen (if he leaves) is years of irrelevance again -- with it unlikely Gilbert will hang around to own a franchise that is going nowhere fast (assuming he can even find a buyer to sell at a loss).
I don't think Gilbert would sell the Cavs. NBA franchises increase in value over time.
May 14, 2010 1:05pm
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May 14, 2010 1:13 PM
Whatever happened to playing for a team and a city and waiting for the window? He's got plenty of good years left. The idea that the team is cap crunched for a year or two and so he is justified in leaving is misguided and wrong.
Kevin Garnett said it best last night.
“Loyalty is something that hurts you at times because you can’t get back youth,” Garnett told reporters Thursday night when asked about LeBron’s free agency. “If I could go back and do my situation over knowing what I know now, I’d have [left] a little sooner.”
Lebron is at his absolute physical peak right now as a basketball player. Staying in a dead end situation in Cleveland out of loyalty to the city is what KG did in Minnesota through his physical prime.

People are going to measure Lebron's greatness based on titles, and they won't care he did the noble thing by staying in Cleveland even though it was apparent a title probably wasn't realistic here anytime soon.

You get the John Stockton/Karl Malone award (and would have been KG in Minny had he finally not forced his way out) for that of being a great player but not a champion.

I don't love it, but if I was Lebron I would probably go if the situation I was going to had brighter prospects for my future as some of the rosters on these other teams do.
May 14, 2010 1:13pm
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May 14, 2010 2:20 PM
Dead end situation??
May 14, 2010 2:20pm
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May 14, 2010 2:29 PM
se-alum wrote: Dead end situation??
What do you prefer to call a team with no cap space, no draft picks, no stand-out young talent, and no trade assets?

They showed pretty clearly they are not anywhere close to a championship right now, and with no way to materially improve the team it seems like a dead end for the next few seasons.
May 14, 2010 2:29pm
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May 14, 2010 5:53 PM
If Lebron leaves, this team wins under 30 games guaranteed.
May 14, 2010 5:53pm
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May 14, 2010 8:21 PM
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May 14, 2010 8:21pm
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May 14, 2010 8:53 PM
They should sell all their guys for 20 cents on the dollar and try to win the lottery ASAP. But yea, their roster does not look bright for the post-Lebron cavs.
May 14, 2010 8:53pm