Prescott wrote: I only wish nobody had been shot.

Well, obviously, but that's what happens when you start breaking windows at businesses downtown, threaten the authorities, don't obey their lawful orders, and set fire to government buildings. Especially after your BS has continued for days.

Hell, just last year at Collegefest some dumbass kids ripped a front porch off a house and lit it on fire in the street. Then people threw couches into it and whatever they could find--it was a big ass fire. Riot police come in and start lighting up the crowd with rubber bullets. They didn't have that kind of non lethal weaponry back then, so you get the real bullets.

This is why you listen to the authorities, especially when you're on ground that is owned by the state. And you don't use violence when it's violence that you're protesting. That just makes you a stupid ass mother fucker that is asking to get shot. Unfortunately the wrong people got shot. That being said, if I see a situation that looks sketchy, I stay away from it. The smallest choices can be important ones. RIP to those who died but fuck the ones who are still living that brought all the bullshit that started the whole thing in the first place. May they burn in hell.

Not sure how ANYONE can defend a group protesting WAR and using violence to do it, and on top of that, attacking guard troops. Against the war and the troops too? Fucking retards, end of story.

HitsRus wrote: "God bless the radicals"....I think I just threw up in my mouth.

There is blood on a lot of people's hands, not just the guardsman, and that includes your bless-ed radicals. When you cross the line of non violent civil disobedience and incite destruction of public property,... incite taunting of those with the duty to keep the peace and order, then YOU own more of the share of blame, than someone's policies you are protesting, who have no more than an obtuse, indirect connection.

If a 'tea party' turned violent, and someone was killed, would you blame Obama and his national health care policies? Sorry, the blood belongs on the hands of those who incited the riot, with lesser blame assigned to the guardsman for not using 'enough restraint'. I wasn't there, so I can't judge for myself whether they used enough restraint....but I don't have to be there to know that burning buildings and throwing rocks can be 'inflammatory'.
Let's keep our eye on the ball here. Innocent people were put at risk by these "blessed radicals"....risk that they didn't need to be exposed to.

Great post- Tea Partiers have already been accused, tried, convicted, and sentenced in the court of public opinion of doing worse than what those leftists did at KSU for four days prior to May 4th.

FairwoodKing wrote: I was a senior at Kent State during the shootings. I had a right to be on campus. The National Guard did not. I hope that every National Guardsman who fired a shot that day rots in hell!

The Guard was ordered there by a civilian Governor.
If violence broke out at any university today...no matter what the reason....how long do you think it would be before the SWAT team got there....and if not deployed quickly enough and someone died, leadership and/or safety forces would be crucified.

Stupid MF
Everyone still only thinks of themselves (the students, National Guard and radicals) but what about the other victim, those of in Vietnam. Daily kill or be killer, wondering if anyone really care for their sons and daughters. Average age was just over 19 years old (college freshman) what happen to our voices? It did matter because we did count only others agenda was of value. Many VV have little or no emotions of what happen that day because of our experience in a combat zone but also because of the behavior and action of America.
Much good has come from Vietnam and one of the most honorable things was that today America Troops those that wear the US Military Uniform of an American Soldier are respected and honored for their Tour of Duty by the America public if nothing else that was worth fighting for.

Belly35 wrote: Stupid MF
Everyone still only thinks of themselves (the students, National Guard and radicals) but what about the other victim, those of in Vietnam. Daily kill or be killer, wondering if anyone really care for their sons and daughters. Average age was just over 19 years old (college freshman) what happen to our voices? It did matter because we did count only others agenda was of value. Many VV have little or no emotions of what happen that day because of our experience in a combat zone but also because of the behavior and action of America.
Much good has come from Vietnam and one of the most honorable things was that today America Troops those that wear the US Military Uniform of an American Soldier are respected and honored for their Tour of Duty by the America public if nothing else that was worth fighting for.

Amen.

Belly35 wrote: Stupid MF
Everyone still only thinks of themselves (the students, National Guard and radicals) but what about the other victim, those of in Vietnam. Daily kill or be killer, wondering if anyone really care for their sons and daughters. Average age was just over 19 years old (college freshman) what happen to our voices? It did matter because we did count only others agenda was of value. Many VV have little or no emotions of what happen that day because of our experience in a combat zone but also because of the behavior and action of America.
Much good has come from Vietnam and one of the most honorable things was that today America Troops those that wear the US Military Uniform of an American Soldier are respected and honored for their Tour of Duty by the America public if nothing else that was worth fighting for.

I would say that the voices of the soldiers in Vietnam have been heard, loud and clear. Since the 1980s, there has been a shift to acknowledge the sacrifices they made. It seems cliche, but movies and books helped start the dialogue, the memorial helped as well.

I mean look at the last big Vietnam movie, "We Were Soldiers", It focused on the war, not the politics or policy decisions.

That's exactly what he's saying. That has happened since the war ended. He was right, during the war they didn't have a voice--they just had orders.

Belly35 wrote:
Much good has come from Vietnam and one of the most honorable things was that today America Troops those that wear the US Military Uniform of an American Soldier are respected and honored for their Tour of Duty by the America public if nothing else that was worth fighting for.

Yes, sir.

What good came from Vietnam again?

I Wear Pants wrote: What good came from Vietnam again?

Powell Doctrine
Counterinsurgency strategy
Learning from guerrilla warfare
Formation of SPECOPS
Limitations of sparking a limited war
Discovery that the domino theory was false
Forced movement into detente and cooling of the Cold War
Just off the top of my head....

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

I Wear Pants wrote: What good came from Vietnam again?

Powell Doctrine
Counterinsurgency strategy
Learning from guerrilla warfare
Formation of SPECOPS
Limitations of sparking a limited war
Discovery that the domino theory was false
Forced movement into detente and cooling of the Cold War
Just off the top of my head....

Great points. There are ALWAYS lessons to be learned from any mistake.

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

I Wear Pants wrote: What good came from Vietnam again?

Powell Doctrine
Counterinsurgency strategy
Learning from guerrilla warfare
Formation of SPECOPS
Limitations of sparking a limited war
Discovery that the domino theory was false
Forced movement into detente and cooling of the Cold War
Just off the top of my head....

Oh the irony of listing the Powell Doctrine....which is actually a spin off from the Caspar Weinberger Doctrine.

Virtually every bullet point listed in this doctine was shat on in invading Iraq. Almost every one.

The US no more followed the Powell Doctrine for justifying Iraq than the man on the moon. We SHOULD HAVE LEARNED the lessons from Vietnam, but obviously, we didn't. What a bloody shame.

^^^couldn't agree more.