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Apr 29, 2010 11:11 PM
charliehustle14 wrote:
Well Pryor is simply switching a position as well. So I don't know what you're saying there. All those guys played QB in college and then switched to WR at the next level.
What I meant was they didn't succeed just because they were good athletes. They had the skillset to switch to a position and succeed at it.

My point being you can't JUST be an athlete and make it on the NFL. Pryor may find a position, or he may not. Who knows. Same with Tebow.
Apr 29, 2010 11:11pm
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Apr 30, 2010 5:49 AM
If the "wild cat" trend continues then I'd think Pryor has the better chance just because of his athleticism.
Apr 30, 2010 5:49am
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Apr 30, 2010 6:34 AM
charliehustle14 wrote: It's known by everyone, outside of OSU homers. He won't play QB regularly in the NFL. He'll probably be used in Wildcat packages and such, but he won't be any every down drop-back passer.
Pryor is NOT a Wildcat QB.
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Apr 30, 2010 9:36 AM
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charliehustle14 wrote: It's known by everyone, outside of OSU homers. He won't play QB regularly in the NFL. He'll probably be used in Wildcat packages and such, but he won't be any every down drop-back passer.
Pryor is NOT a Wildcat QB.
Nor do I think the wildcat will continue enough for a team to pick up players just for it.
Apr 30, 2010 9:36am
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Apr 30, 2010 9:59 AM
WebFire wrote:
charliehustle14 wrote:
Well Pryor is simply switching a position as well. So I don't know what you're saying there. All those guys played QB in college and then switched to WR at the next level.
What I meant was they didn't succeed just because they were good athletes. They had the skillset to switch to a position and succeed at it.

My point being you can't JUST be an athlete and make it on the NFL. Pryor may find a position, or he may not. Who knows. Same with Tebow.
Well in my opinion, Pryor has the appropriate skill set to switch positions and make a career out of it. Of course it's up to him to improve that skill set to where he's NFL-caliber.

I know where you're coming from. Great athletes don't always translate to the NFL because in the NFL everyone is a great athlete. I get that 100%. But I think Pryor has a lot going for him as a WR at the next level if he choses to go that route. And it's just my opinion that I think he'll succeed at that new role.
Apr 30, 2010 9:59am
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Apr 30, 2010 10:07 AM
WebFire wrote:
SQ_Crazies wrote:
charliehustle14 wrote: It's known by everyone, outside of OSU homers. He won't play QB regularly in the NFL. He'll probably be used in Wildcat packages and such, but he won't be any every down drop-back passer.
Pryor is NOT a Wildcat QB.
Nor do I think the wildcat will continue enough for a team to pick up players just for it.
I think it will continue to be a part of football for a long time. A lot of high school teams run offenses that are sort of similar so there are players that understand it. In the NFL, there will always be teams that have great personnel for it and they'll run it. Teams who are interested in running it certainly look for the right kind of guy to do it. But Pryor does not fit that mold, he isn't that kind of runner and he's far too big. He won't be a runner in the NFL, he's fast but those guys are just as fast and that stiff arm doesn't work on NFL LB's. He's gotta throw at least 80% of the time to be a successful NFL QB. He doesn't fit the mold of a Wildcat QB at all.
Apr 30, 2010 10:07am
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Apr 30, 2010 10:18 AM
WebFire wrote:
SQ_Crazies wrote:
charliehustle14 wrote: It's known by everyone, outside of OSU homers. He won't play QB regularly in the NFL. He'll probably be used in Wildcat packages and such, but he won't be any every down drop-back passer.
Pryor is NOT a Wildcat QB.
Nor do I think the wildcat will continue enough for a team to pick up players just for it.
Why not?

Miami has been known to be successful when they first started the trend. Last year it seemed that many more teams had adapted that wrinkle into the offense (Browns, Jets, Cowboys, Seahawks, Panthers, Bucs, Raiders, Chiefs all off the top of my head)

Bottom line is that a majority of NFL teams have looked into it and are trying it. And they'd be stupid not to as it causes the defense to have to game plan for a whole seperate offensive style. If offenses can continue to use it to their advantage in the NFL, it'll stick around.

And I don't think teams have ever drafted players exclusively just to run the Wildcat, so that wouldn't be the case with Pryor. The only player you can make that argument for is Pat White. But he was brought in to compete at QB. And if he didn't win that job, then he was to be used in other ways. The reason teams run the Wildcat is if their own personnel fits that mold....they don't just go drafting players to run it.
Apr 30, 2010 10:18am
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Apr 30, 2010 10:22 AM
The Wildcat is more about the front line than it is the back IMO. You can pretty much find someone to run it for you on your own roster or in FA at any time--but you have to have the right personnel up front to be able to do it effectively. And not all teams have that sort of line.
Apr 30, 2010 10:22am
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Apr 30, 2010 10:29 AM
SQ_Crazies wrote:
WebFire wrote:
SQ_Crazies wrote:
charliehustle14 wrote: It's known by everyone, outside of OSU homers. He won't play QB regularly in the NFL. He'll probably be used in Wildcat packages and such, but he won't be any every down drop-back passer.
Pryor is NOT a Wildcat QB.
Nor do I think the wildcat will continue enough for a team to pick up players just for it.
I think it will continue to be a part of football for a long time. A lot of high school teams run offenses that are sort of similar so there are players that understand it. In the NFL, there will always be teams that have great personnel for it and they'll run it. Teams who are interested in running it certainly look for the right kind of guy to do it. But Pryor does not fit that mold, he isn't that kind of runner and he's far too big. He won't be a runner in the NFL, he's fast but those guys are just as fast and that stiff arm doesn't work on NFL LB's. He's gotta throw at least 80% of the time to be a successful NFL QB. He doesn't fit the mold of a Wildcat QB at all.
He is probably too tall, you're right. But I don't buy into the whole 'he's gotta throw it' argument. In the Wildcat, when has Tashard Choice, Ronnie Brown, or Jamaal Charles ever been a throwing threat? They haven't been, but it's still be problematic for teams to stop because it turns the game into man on man 11 vs 11 football.
Apr 30, 2010 10:29am
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Apr 30, 2010 10:33 AM
SQ_Crazies wrote: The Wildcat is more about the front line than it is the back IMO. You can pretty much find someone to run it for you on your own roster or in FA at any time--but you have to have the right personnel up front to be able to do it effectively. And not all teams have that sort of line.
Yeah, I know that. The OLine is definitely more important because the idea behind the Wildcat is putting a body on a body. But you also have to have some guys back there who are pretty keen on handling the football because there are plenty of fakes and handoffs involved.
Apr 30, 2010 10:33am
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Apr 30, 2010 11:14 AM
charliehustle14 wrote:
Well in my opinion, Pryor has the appropriate skill set to switch positions and make a career out of it. Of course it's up to him to improve that skill set to where he's NFL-caliber.
Can't say you're right or wrong, because until we see him try it we don't know. But what do you base this on? How do you know he has the appropriate skill set to be and NFL receiver?

I have a hard time seeing him getting off the line and beating an NFL CB. You don't usually see NFL WRs with long lanky strides.
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Apr 30, 2010 11:17 AM
charliehustle14 wrote:
WebFire wrote:
SQ_Crazies wrote:
charliehustle14 wrote: It's known by everyone, outside of OSU homers. He won't play QB regularly in the NFL. He'll probably be used in Wildcat packages and such, but he won't be any every down drop-back passer.
Pryor is NOT a Wildcat QB.
Nor do I think the wildcat will continue enough for a team to pick up players just for it.
Why not?

Miami has been known to be successful when they first started the trend. Last year it seemed that many more teams had adapted that wrinkle into the offense (Browns, Jets, Cowboys, Seahawks, Panthers, Bucs, Raiders, Chiefs all off the top of my head)

Bottom line is that a majority of NFL teams have looked into it and are trying it. And they'd be stupid not to as it causes the defense to have to game plan for a whole seperate offensive style. If offenses can continue to use it to their advantage in the NFL, it'll stick around.

And I don't think teams have ever drafted players exclusively just to run the Wildcat, so that wouldn't be the case with Pryor. The only player you can make that argument for is Pat White. But he was brought in to compete at QB. And if he didn't win that job, then he was to be used in other ways. The reason teams run the Wildcat is if their own personnel fits that mold....they don't just go drafting players to run it.
I think it will continue to be just a wrinkle, and as stated above, a team will wrinkle it in if they already have the appropriate personnel. I don't think it will get to the point where teams are picking up players so they can run it.

What's popular in high school and college is really irrelevant. A lot of HS teams run offenses to adapt to the talent (or lack thereof) they have. That is why you've seen a boom of spread offenses over the years.

Run and shoot anyone?
Apr 30, 2010 11:17am
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Apr 30, 2010 8:03 PM
WebFire wrote: I can't see Pryor succeeding in the NFL. And I am not just saying that because I am a Michigan fan. He just doesn't fit the NFL mold, ala JaMarcus Russell.
Why? Because he's black? Other than that and that they play the same position, Pryor and Russell are NOTHING alike. Two completely different styles of quarterback.

Look, I've seen enough of Pryor up close to say that he has a decent chance to be an NFL QB. He's progressed as a passer and if he continues to do so, some team will take a chance on him in the 1st round.

Why does everyone think that Tebow will be a better QB? He was a fullback playing quarterback in a gimmick offense that propelled Alex freaking Smith to the #1 pick, and Smith was WAY ahead of Tebow as a quarterback and still isn't anything special a few years into the league.

Here's an article questioning what would've happened had Tebow taken the route Pryor is now.. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=4985289

The things Pryor has going for him is that he's taken snaps under center, he's played in a pro-style offense, and he is a better athlete than Tebow. You all talk about decision making and progressions, what progressions did Tebow make at Florida? Should I throw it to Harvin on the right hash or Harvin on the left hash? Tebow was in the perfect system for his abilities with the perfect weapons at his disposal and Urban Meyer built his offense around those strengths which were NOT quarterback related. Tebow is a hard worker but so was Bobby Hurley. If Vince Young could get drafted top 5 then Pryor can be taken in round 1.

And if he doesn't make it as a QB, he could definitely make it as a WR. Did you see the Fiesta Bowl? That cornerback has been playing cornerback for years and had no chance against Pryor. He would be a red zone threat for sure however I think his strides are too long to be an effective route runner.
Apr 30, 2010 8:03pm
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Apr 30, 2010 8:49 PM
I personally also think Pryor is a much better prospect than Russell, no way he goes #1 though--clearly, unless he really blows people away.

Based on what I know now, I'd take Tebow over Pryor in college and the pros, but I'm really anxious to see how much Pryor can improve this year and then in his senior year. Hard to believe he's got that much playing time left.
Apr 30, 2010 8:49pm
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May 1, 2010 12:43 AM
My prediction is YES. Pryor will be rated higher than Tebow. His Oregon game was great and now this is his Jr year. It does depend though if he comes out this year or plays his senior season.
May 1, 2010 12:43am
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May 1, 2010 12:04 PM
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Why? Because he's black?
What a dumbass comment to make. :rolleyes:
May 1, 2010 12:04pm
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May 1, 2010 12:08 PM
^^^ Guess what. I don't think Tebow will be a good NFL QB either, and he is white.
May 1, 2010 12:08pm
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May 1, 2010 12:13 PM
WebFire wrote: ^^^ Guess what. I don't think Tebow will be a good NFL QB either, and he is white.
Why? Because he's white? :rolleyes:
May 1, 2010 12:13pm
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May 1, 2010 3:35 PM
at this point Pryor's best hope is to be a late first round pick like Tebow. The only way he moves very far up into the first round is if he has a man on fire type season like Vince Young did as a red-shirt Junior. That isn't going to happen for two reasons. 1: He is not Vince Young, he doesn't have his physical talent, football ability or the confidence that set Vince apart. 2: Tressel is still in the practice of managing Pryor within the confines of his system. Texas scrapped their old pro style system when Young took the starting job and put him in a spread offense and let him go completely and the results were staggering. Tressel won't do that, it isn't in his nature and Pryor's development suffers because of it.
May 1, 2010 3:35pm
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May 1, 2010 4:34 PM
WebFire wrote:
krazie45 wrote:
Why? Because he's black?
What a dumbass comment to make. :rolleyes:
Why? I dont think it is. A LOT of people stereotype every black quarterback into someone that is mobile, has a strong arm, and little accuracy.
May 1, 2010 4:34pm
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May 2, 2010 11:33 AM
Coach Tressel's job, in my view, is not to showcase Pryor in a pro style offense used in the NFL so that Pryor can secure a huge contract and be drafted high up in the NFL draft. Coache's job is to construct the best team that Ohio State can put on the field this Fall, and shoot for yet another Big Ten Title and a birth in a BCS Bowl Game. If Coach believes that Ohio State would benefit more if Pryor was coached to be a NFL style quarterback, then I assume that's what would happen, if that would make the Buckeyes more competitive. Bottom line is that it's Tressel's decision, and his record of success at Ohio State would seem to suggest that inspite of all the experts out there who know far more about coaching the Buckeyes than Coach Tressel, as long as Coach is in charge, it will be his way. I hope he's there a long time.
May 2, 2010 11:33am
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May 2, 2010 11:52 AM
Pick6 wrote:
WebFire wrote:
krazie45 wrote:
Why? Because he's black?
What a dumbass comment to make. :rolleyes:
Why? I dont think it is. A LOT of people stereotype every black quarterback into someone that is mobile, has a strong arm, and little accuracy.
That may be true. But I don't think it was part of this conversation. Like I said, I don't think Tebow will cut it as an NFL QB. So what stereotype is that?
May 2, 2010 11:52am
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May 2, 2010 12:12 PM
WebFire wrote:
Pick6 wrote:
WebFire wrote:
krazie45 wrote:
Why? Because he's black?
What a dumbass comment to make. :rolleyes:
Why? I dont think it is. A LOT of people stereotype every black quarterback into someone that is mobile, has a strong arm, and little accuracy.
That may be true. But I don't think it was part of this conversation. Like I said, I don't think Tebow will cut it as an NFL QB. So what stereotype is that?
Well you mentioned Tebow AFTER I made that comment.

I was basing it off of you saying that he doesn't "fit the mold" like Russell. This comment confused me considering Russell and Pryor are nothing alike in playing styles other than they are black. As for "fitting the mold", physically he's what you want in a quarterback so what "mold" does he not fit? That made me assume that since he's not a white pocket passer, that he doesn't fit your "mold".
May 2, 2010 12:12pm
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May 2, 2010 12:19 PM
WebFire wrote:
Pick6 wrote:
WebFire wrote:
krazie45 wrote:
Why? Because he's black?
What a dumbass comment to make. :rolleyes:
Why? I dont think it is. A LOT of people stereotype every black quarterback into someone that is mobile, has a strong arm, and little accuracy.
That may be true. But I don't think it was part of this conversation. Like I said, I don't think Tebow will cut it as an NFL QB. So what stereotype is that?
He sucks. Period.
May 2, 2010 12:19pm
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May 2, 2010 2:12 PM
krazie45,
Feel free to join us in the year 2010 at your leisure. 1988 was the year Doug Williams won a Super Bowl. Steve McNair and Donovan McNabb led their teams to play in Super Bowls. There are about 15-17 black QB's in the NFL right now. Teams want the best player, at any position.
May 2, 2010 2:12pm