majorspark wrote:

BCSbunk wrote: Not once ever. Once I checked into the country and had approval to be inside I was never once accosted or questioned. Only nazis do that my friend.

http://coloradoindependent.com/52039/the-new-birthers-arizona-truck-driver-arrested-forced-to-show-birth-certificate

You show your Drivers license and tell them your SS and you still are arrested and cuffed?

Yeah son them thar are what Nazis do.

No, Nazis would have taken him out back and put a bullet in his brain.

The article you cite is in regards to federal agents. The feds have been doing this kind of thing for years with nary a peep from those pitching a bitch about the Arizona law.

Not at first they did not.

This is discrimination plain and simple.

Nazi: We only question the jews about thier papers.

Arizona: We only question them Mexicans about their papers.

All "illegals" should be granted amnesty right now and we can quit wasting money and more big government with this nonsense.

But big government lovers do not surprise me at all especially if it in their favor of what they want big government for.

BCSbunk wrote:

majorspark wrote:

BCSbunk wrote: Not once ever. Once I checked into the country and had approval to be inside I was never once accosted or questioned. Only nazis do that my friend.

http://coloradoindependent.com/52039/the-new-birthers-arizona-truck-driver-arrested-forced-to-show-birth-certificate

You show your Drivers license and tell them your SS and you still are arrested and cuffed?

Yeah son them thar are what Nazis do.

No, Nazis would have taken him out back and put a bullet in his brain.

The article you cite is in regards to federal agents. The feds have been doing this kind of thing for years with nary a peep from those pitching a bitch about the Arizona law.

Not at first they did not.

This is discrimination plain and simple.

Nazi: We only question the jews about thier papers.

Arizona: We only question them Mexicans about their papers.

All "illegals" should be granted amnesty right now and we can quit wasting money and more big government with this nonsense.

But big government lovers do not surprise me at all especially if it in their favor of what they want big government for.

Yea that would save us a lot of money :rolleyes: Let's reward criminals by giving them welfare for the rest of their lives.

Al Bundy wrote:

BCSbunk wrote:

majorspark wrote:

BCSbunk wrote: Not once ever. Once I checked into the country and had approval to be inside I was never once accosted or questioned. Only nazis do that my friend.

http://coloradoindependent.com/52039/the-new-birthers-arizona-truck-driver-arrested-forced-to-show-birth-certificate

You show your Drivers license and tell them your SS and you still are arrested and cuffed?

Yeah son them thar are what Nazis do.

No, Nazis would have taken him out back and put a bullet in his brain.

The article you cite is in regards to federal agents. The feds have been doing this kind of thing for years with nary a peep from those pitching a bitch about the Arizona law.

Not at first they did not.

This is discrimination plain and simple.

Nazi: We only question the jews about thier papers.

Arizona: We only question them Mexicans about their papers.

All "illegals" should be granted amnesty right now and we can quit wasting money and more big government with this nonsense.

But big government lovers do not surprise me at all especially if it in their favor of what they want big government for.

Yea that would save us a lot of money :rolleyes: Let's reward criminals by giving them welfare for the rest of their lives.

It would save tons because welfare would be limited.

How much are we wasting now with this nonsense bureaucracy?

I want smaller government and all I hear is people who want more and more government as long as it fills their wishes.

No need for all this large spending and wasting of resources.

Now I see who wants big government and more bureaus to "cover what we need."

Next thing ya know I will be hearing the praises of build a wall.

Who pays for all that? who pays for all this and why do we need more bureacracy?

How about we ask LEGAL immigrants their views on whether blanket amnesty should be awarded, since they actually followed the law and went through all the government hoops and hurdles required to become citizens.

Criminals -- and illegals ARE criminals -- should not be rewarded for their behavior...ever.

BCSbunk wrote:

majorspark wrote:

BCSbunk wrote: Not once ever. Once I checked into the country and had approval to be inside I was never once accosted or questioned. Only nazis do that my friend.

http://coloradoindependent.com/52039/the-new-birthers-arizona-truck-driver-arrested-forced-to-show-birth-certificate

You show your Drivers license and tell them your SS and you still are arrested and cuffed?

Yeah son them thar are what Nazis do.

No, Nazis would have taken him out back and put a bullet in his brain.

The article you cite is in regards to federal agents. The feds have been doing this kind of thing for years with nary a peep from those pitching a bitch about the Arizona law.

Not at first they did not.

This is discrimination plain and simple.

Nazi: We only question the jews about thier papers.

Arizona: We only question them Mexicans about their papers.

All "illegals" should be granted amnesty right now and we can quit wasting money and more big government with this nonsense.

But big government lovers do not surprise me at all especially if it in their favor of what they want big government for.

Post of the year

The welfare checks and free health care= large spending and wasting resources.

Writerbuckeye wrote: How about we ask LEGAL immigrants their views on whether blanket amnesty should be awarded, since they actually followed the law and went through all the government hoops and hurdles required to become citizens.

Criminals -- and illegals ARE criminals -- should not be rewarded for their behavior...ever.

They are not illegal once they recieve amnesty which they should recieve and then open the borders up and allow all people who want to come to this country to begin a new life just like your ancestors had the freedom to do.

Remove all restrictions on immigration that is the base idea and will reduce government spending and waste.

One part of large government down now lots more to work on.

From the Libertarian party platform.

Eliminate all restrictions on immigration
We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally

.

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Libertarian_Party_Immigration.htm

The ONLY WAY TO SMALL GOVERNMENT!

BCSbunk wrote:

Al Bundy wrote:

BCSbunk wrote:

majorspark wrote:

BCSbunk wrote: Not once ever. Once I checked into the country and had approval to be inside I was never once accosted or questioned. Only nazis do that my friend.

http://coloradoindependent.com/52039/the-new-birthers-arizona-truck-driver-arrested-forced-to-show-birth-certificate

You show your Drivers license and tell them your SS and you still are arrested and cuffed?

Yeah son them thar are what Nazis do.

No, Nazis would have taken him out back and put a bullet in his brain.

The article you cite is in regards to federal agents. The feds have been doing this kind of thing for years with nary a peep from those pitching a bitch about the Arizona law.

Not at first they did not.

This is discrimination plain and simple.

Nazi: We only question the jews about thier papers.

Arizona: We only question them Mexicans about their papers.

All "illegals" should be granted amnesty right now and we can quit wasting money and more big government with this nonsense.

But big government lovers do not surprise me at all especially if it in their favor of what they want big government for.

Yea that would save us a lot of money :rolleyes: Let's reward criminals by giving them welfare for the rest of their lives.

It would save tons because welfare would be limited.

How much are we wasting now with this nonsense bureaucracy?

I want smaller government and all I hear is people who want more and more government as long as it fills their wishes.

No need for all this large spending and wasting of resources.

Now I see who wants big government and more bureaus to "cover what we need."

Next thing ya know I will be hearing the praises of build a wall.

Who pays for all that? who pays for all this and why do we need more bureacracy?

When did we put limits on welfare? There are many people who receive welfare from birth till death.

BCSbunk wrote:

Writerbuckeye wrote: How about we ask LEGAL immigrants their views on whether blanket amnesty should be awarded, since they actually followed the law and went through all the government hoops and hurdles required to become citizens.

Criminals -- and illegals ARE criminals -- should not be rewarded for their behavior...ever.

They are not illegal once they recieve amnesty which they should recieve and then open the borders up and allow all people who want to come to this country to begin a new life just like your ancestors had the freedom to do.

Remove all restrictions on immigration that is the base idea and will reduce government spending and waste.

One part of large government down now lots more to work on.

From the Libertarian party platform.

Eliminate all restrictions on immigration
We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally

.

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Libertarian_Party_Immigration.htm

The ONLY WAY TO SMALL GOVERNMENT!

No one is against people coming to this country LEGALLY like many of our ancestors did.

Al Bundy wrote:

BCSbunk wrote:

Al Bundy wrote:

BCSbunk wrote:

majorspark wrote:

BCSbunk wrote: Not once ever. Once I checked into the country and had approval to be inside I was never once accosted or questioned. Only nazis do that my friend.

http://coloradoindependent.com/52039/the-new-birthers-arizona-truck-driver-arrested-forced-to-show-birth-certificate

You show your Drivers license and tell them your SS and you still are arrested and cuffed?

Yeah son them thar are what Nazis do.

No, Nazis would have taken him out back and put a bullet in his brain.

The article you cite is in regards to federal agents. The feds have been doing this kind of thing for years with nary a peep from those pitching a bitch about the Arizona law.

Not at first they did not.

This is discrimination plain and simple.

Nazi: We only question the jews about thier papers.

Arizona: We only question them Mexicans about their papers.

All "illegals" should be granted amnesty right now and we can quit wasting money and more big government with this nonsense.

But big government lovers do not surprise me at all especially if it in their favor of what they want big government for.

Yea that would save us a lot of money :rolleyes: Let's reward criminals by giving them welfare for the rest of their lives.

It would save tons because welfare would be limited.

How much are we wasting now with this nonsense bureaucracy?

I want smaller government and all I hear is people who want more and more government as long as it fills their wishes.

No need for all this large spending and wasting of resources.

Now I see who wants big government and more bureaus to "cover what we need."

Next thing ya know I will be hearing the praises of build a wall.

Who pays for all that? who pays for all this and why do we need more bureacracy?

When did we put limits on welfare? There are many people who receive welfare from birth till death.

First things first get rid of Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol and that bloated waste of money.

Then we can work on all the other agencies in the federal government.

What is many people?

How many are on welfare nationwide and is that a federal program?

I want a smaller federal government The Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol are parts of the federal government.

http://www.govspot.com/know/welfare.htm

Better learn a little about welfare. While we can make more reforms there have been reforms.

Time now to reform the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol by eliminating it completely

BCSbunk wrote: Funny how so far here in Ohio no one has ever asked to see my papers

Well that is good for you. Millions of others have been asked.

A few years back I went to watch a high school boys basketball game. The game ended around 9:30 pm. I was hungry and wanted to see what was going on in the world of sports, so I stopped off at the local sports bar. I had a couple of beers and a burger. I left about 11:30. They have slant parking in this town so I parked with the front end of my car facing the front of the bar.

I get into my car and start on my way home. A car soon comes up behind me. I notice he is making every turn I am. As I approached the city limits the lights come on behind me. Since I had violated no traffic law I could not imagine why I was being stopped. When the officer came to my window I was asked to show my papers. One set to prove who I am and that I am operating the vehicle legally. Another set to prove who the owner of the vehicle is. And yet another set to prove I carry insurance on the vehicle. I was also asked questions as to where I had been, what I had been doing, and who won the game, while the officer's partner is on the passenger side rear door shining his flashlight in the backseat.

The reason given as to why I was stopped and asked to show my papers was because I had a thin maybe 12" crack in my windshield just above the dashboard. The officer displaying his superhuman like night vision claimed he was able to see it as I passed by him. Yet he continued to follow me for miles through town until he decided it was necessary to pull me over.

Now we all know I was profiled or pre-suspected of engaging in some other kind of illegal activity. Likely DUI. MY papers checked out. My story checked out. The officers could clearly see that I was not engaging in other illegal activity. They issued me a warning and I was on my way.

This kind of stuff happens every day across this country with nary a peep from those going ape shit over this Arizona bill.

Why not just get rid of all armed forces while we are at it? Let's pardon any criminal that is being held in a federal prison. Let's have open borders and no security.

Al Bundy wrote: Why not just get rid of all armed forces while we are at it? Let's pardon any criminal that is being held in a federal prison. Let's have open borders and no security.

What a great analogy that is./ sarcasm

BCSbunk wrote:

Al Bundy wrote: Why not just get rid of all armed forces while we are at it? Let's pardon any criminal that is being held in a federal prison. Let's have open borders and no security.

What a great analogy that is./ sarcasm

You want to let any criminal come into this country. You want no security at all.

Al Bundy wrote:

BCSbunk wrote:

Al Bundy wrote: Why not just get rid of all armed forces while we are at it? Let's pardon any criminal that is being held in a federal prison. Let's have open borders and no security.

What a great analogy that is./ sarcasm

You want to let any criminal come into this country. You want no security at all.

How do you derive at I want no security (Police or military) from I want the Immigration and Naturalizion bureaus eliminated?


Here read it again.

We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.

From here

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Libertarian_Party_Immigration.htm

You can learn something here.

Here is what I think about welfare in general. From the same website.

Non-profits more effective than government at “safety net”
Not-for-profit organizations have a critical role to play in the re-establishment of a true “safety net.” America’s safety net is supposed to be a web of programs and agencies that makes sure no one “falls through the cracks” into total destitution.
Many worry that devolution will unravel our society’s safety net. But what is needed is a revitalization of those agencies that have shown time and time again that they truly can help the destitute: Not-for-profit organizations, specifically, private charities.

Non-profits do many of the things we have come to think of as government service activities, but they typically do it far more effectively. For example, Sister Connie’s House of Hope shelter for women in Chicago has a 95% success rate -- a record that towers over that of any of the city’s shelters. This is because Sister Connie can practice a “tough love” approach. She has random drug testing, curfews, and requires her “clients” to find solid employment.

BCSbunk wrote:

Al Bundy wrote: You never had to show a passport when you traveled abroad?

Not once ever. Once I checked into the country and had approval to be inside I was never once accosted or questioned. Only nazis do that my friend.

your story doesnt even compare. A) you entered that country LEGALLY. B.) you never committed a crime in that other country(which is pretty much what has to happen with the arizona law).

had you committed a crime in that other country, you would have been asked for your passport. had you not been in the country legally, you would have been taken to the airport and sent home.

We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.

All of the terrorists would just love this. Why do you want to reward criminals? Anyone who wants to go through the process to come here legally is welcome.

In addition to the security risks, it would destroy our economy. Our unemployment rate is already high, bringing in more people certainly isn't going to help that.

Al Bundy wrote:

We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.

All of the terrorists would just love this. Why do you want to reward criminals? Anyone who wants to go through the process to come here legally is welcome.

In addition to the security risks, it would destroy our economy. Our unemployment rate is already high, bringing in more people certainly isn't going to help that.

Keep reciting that big govenment rhetoric. We NEED MORE GOVERNMENT.

No please don't take away my government.

Reverse NAFTA open the borders bring home all the troops to protect our country and all will be fine.

So far your way has failed us miserably and you are screaming for more.

I just don't get it.

One thing I can say about Quakeroats he is correct with his little change quote.

The problem is that the R's are not changing anything either.

LMAO at those who say they want small government.

BCSbunk wrote:

Al Bundy wrote:

We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.

All of the terrorists would just love this. Why do you want to reward criminals? Anyone who wants to go through the process to come here legally is welcome.

In addition to the security risks, it would destroy our economy. Our unemployment rate is already high, bringing in more people certainly isn't going to help that.

Keep reciting that big govenment rhetoric. We NEED MORE GOVERNMENT.

No please don't take away my government.

Reverse NAFTA open the borders bring home all the troops to protect our country and all will be fine.

So far your way has failed us miserably and you are screaming for more.

I just don't get it.

One thing I can say about Quakeroats he is correct with his little change quote.

The problem is that the R's are not changing anything either.

LMAO at those who say they want small government.

First of all, I'm a Dem, but I don't blindly follow the party. It is insane to you think you can just have open borders. We'd have a billion people here. Many of those people would be looking to harm our country. Many of those people would be looking for handouts.

Al Bundy wrote:

BCSbunk wrote:

Al Bundy wrote:

We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.

All of the terrorists would just love this. Why do you want to reward criminals? Anyone who wants to go through the process to come here legally is welcome.

In addition to the security risks, it would destroy our economy. Our unemployment rate is already high, bringing in more people certainly isn't going to help that.

Keep reciting that big govenment rhetoric. We NEED MORE GOVERNMENT.

No please don't take away my government.

Reverse NAFTA open the borders bring home all the troops to protect our country and all will be fine.

So far your way has failed us miserably and you are screaming for more.

I just don't get it.

One thing I can say about Quakeroats he is correct with his little change quote.

The problem is that the R's are not changing anything either.

LMAO at those who say they want small government.

First of all, I'm a Dem, but I don't blindly follow the party. It is insane to you think you can just have open borders. We'd have a billion people here. Many of those people would be looking to harm our country. Many of those people would be looking for handouts.

All rhetoric you have no evidence at all that there would be a billion people here.

And if there were then that would make a us a very strong country if things were ran correctly and effeciently.

Glad to see more big government people are still on board.

The current way has failed what part of that is hard to undertand?

It has failed so when something is broken you fix it.

The Liberatarian party can fix it but people will not give up their big government nipple they are attached too.

BCSbunk wrote: Keep reciting that big govenment rhetoric. We NEED MORE GOVERNMENT.

No please don't take away my government.

Reverse NAFTA open the borders bring home all the troops to protect our country and all will be fine.

So far your way has failed us miserably and you are screaming for more.

I'm not sure I understand this part of the post? How can anything fail if it has not been implemented?

On what day(s) was NAFTA repealed, our borders totally open to anybody/everybody, all of our troops were brought home to protect our country?

CenterBHSFan wrote:

BCSbunk wrote: Keep reciting that big govenment rhetoric. We NEED MORE GOVERNMENT.

No please don't take away my government.

Reverse NAFTA open the borders bring home all the troops to protect our country and all will be fine.

So far your way has failed us miserably and you are screaming for more.

I'm not sure I understand this part of the post? How can anything fail if it has not been implemented?

On what day(s) was NAFTA repealed, our borders totally open to anybody/everybody, all of our troops were brought home to protect our country?

The US is failing. Our economic situation is not good.

We have too many government programs that are not needed.

The immigration and naturalization dept is one of those that can and should be cut.

NAFTA needs reversed.

This will make a stronger better country.

Not sure how people are bitching and moaning about our government but then want the same exact policies that have been failing us?

Some say the definition of insanity is to to keep repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. That is what I read here every single day.

The only thing people have right is that the US is hurting well with shit laws like this no wonder.

Who pays for all this? Where does the money come from? It certainly is not necessary.

This country has had open borders and because of racism we lowered how many were allowed in the country to preserve our white heritage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

Some of the law's strongest supporters were influenced by Madison Grant and his 1916 book, The Passing of the Great Race. Grant was a eugenicist and an advocate of the racial hygiene theory. His data purported to show the superiority of the founding Northern European races.

Please everyone stop saying you want smaller government it is a blantant lie and getting very very old. You just want the big government that suits you.

NOTE that is not directed at you specifically Center.

BCSbunk wrote: They are not illegal once they recieve amnesty which they should recieve and then open the borders up and allow all people who want to come to this country to begin a new life just like your ancestors had the freedom to do.

You mean like the ancestors that illegally violated laws and treaties with native American tribes and settled on their land. Failure to control who crosses your border will eventually result in violence and war. History is full of such examples. You may think it stinks, but that is the way of the world.

majorspark wrote:

BCSbunk wrote: They are not illegal once they recieve amnesty which they should recieve and then open the borders up and allow all people who want to come to this country to begin a new life just like your ancestors had the freedom to do.

You mean like the ancestors that illegally violated laws and treaties with native American tribes and settled on their land. Failure to control who crosses your border will eventually result in violence and war. History is full of such examples. You may think it stinks, but that is the way of the world.

Failure to control who crosses your border will eventually result in violence and war. Non-sequitur.

BCSbunk wrote:

majorspark wrote:

BCSbunk wrote: They are not illegal once they recieve amnesty which they should recieve and then open the borders up and allow all people who want to come to this country to begin a new life just like your ancestors had the freedom to do.

You mean like the ancestors that illegally violated laws and treaties with native American tribes and settled on their land. Failure to control who crosses your border will eventually result in violence and war. History is full of such examples. You may think it stinks, but that is the way of the world.

Failure to control who crosses your border will eventually result in violence and war. Non-sequitur.

No truth. Crack open a history book. It would be nice if everyone in this world could live in peace and harmony together and sing kum bay ya. But the reality of this world is that of violence. Unfortunately we must have a border and a military force to protect it.

BCSbunk wrote:

majorspark wrote:

BCSbunk wrote: They are not illegal once they recieve amnesty which they should recieve and then open the borders up and allow all people who want to come to this country to begin a new life just like your ancestors had the freedom to do.

You mean like the ancestors that illegally violated laws and treaties with native American tribes and settled on their land. Failure to control who crosses your border will eventually result in violence and war. History is full of such examples. You may think it stinks, but that is the way of the world.

Failure to control who crosses your border will eventually result in violence and war. Non-sequitur.

You need to get back on your meds. His point is spot on and, as he has told you, history is replete with examples.