centralbucksfan wrote: Stats do NOT always paint the right picture. ANYONE who has watched Deibler since his frosh year, KNOWS he has improved his game.
Again, your a hater, and can't see it clearly. Most everyone on here knows this.

By saying ANYONE, that would include myself, and yet I do not KNOW that he has improved from his sophomore to junior year.

How do you know that he has improved when one could argue that the stats say otherwise. From his sophomore to junior year I don't think he became a better ball handler, defender, rebounder, setup guy or effort guy, in fact he has declined in certain areas. His scoring went up, that's it. That is the only stat you can point at when saying he got better.



BTW, I didn't start this thread.

wkfan wrote: Diebler will get significant minutes if he is shooting the ball well. Period.

He just hasn't shown that he can do things like defend, put the ball on the floor and create openings for himself that will keep him on the floor if he is not shooting the ball.

well said...+1

thedynasty1998 wrote:

Prescott wrote:

Please don't compare him and his potential development to Turner.

Don't be so defensive. Nobody is saying that Diebler can be Turner. All I am saying is that Turner got better by working on his handle. Dielbler is capable of getting better, as well, if he puts in the time.

I understand what you were saying, but my point being that I think it's an insult to Turner. Not Turner's abilities necessarily, but his work ethic. Turner came into OSU with Diebler and both went through the same offseason program. It's obvious who put in the work to actually improve their game and was dedicated at getting better.

For someone who supposedly played the game, sometimes I really scratch my head when I read your comments.
There is something called POTENTIAL. Turners upside is and WAS so much higher then Deibler, its not even up for debate.
I know for a fact that Deibler puts in as much, if not more time then Turner. That doesn't mean someone is going to be better. I could practice 24/7 from the time I was 10yrs of age till I die and I will never be as good as Jordan. Some people, most great players are BORN with God given ability. Some are not. To say Diebler didn't put in the time is absolutely ignorant unless you know so. Which you obviously don't. My goodness, he is a coaches son..he grew up in a gym. Diebler works as hard or more then anyone in the OSU program. If you dno't believe me, all you have to do is go on down to OSU and watch practice, hang around and chit chat with the coaches. Its a pretty open environment down there.
Amazes me why people are so critical of someone who is doing nothing but give their best. But because of some ignorant/unrealistic "vision" or belief some have to think they "should" be better...they get ripped. If Deibler didn't work as hard as he has...he would be playing D2 basketball somewhere. Just because he was Ohio all time leading scorer doesn't mean he was gauranteed greatness at this level. The guy was not that heavily recruited. Do I wish he was better? Absolutely I do. Just as I wish Oden was still at OSU. I am a realist about his potential. The guy is OSU all time leader in 3pt shooting. He is one of the best 3pt shooters in the country. I'd say those accomplishments are pretty darn good.
Its so easy to pick out the haters. Others, namely Buford, don't always play near their potential...yet many rarely "pick" on him. I think its a white guy thing at OSU. Sylvestor was constantly ripped while at OSU..now its Deibler. Craft next?

centralbucksfan wrote: Amazes me why people are so critical of someone who is doing nothing but give their best.

That right there is my sole problem with him. I don't think he gives his best.

One can literally live in the gym, but if they don't hustle/defend/rebound/play with toughness it's hard for me to respect their game. And that was my point about improving by hard work in the offseason, he can work all he wants, his problem is from within.

One one hand I find it hilarious, on the other hand I find it hatred, that there has been a new Jon Diebler thread started every month regardless of athletic season ever since he committed to Ohio State. And that isn't the case with any other Ohio State basketball player.

BTW, Dynasty could work on is bball skills every day of his life for 18 hours a day and never be half the player Diebler is, nor would he look like he's "giving his best".

This thread was not started as a "Hate" thread . It was started because I think Diebler bagan to realize that he can be more than a jump shooter. He can beat defenders off of the dribble if he wants to. He will never be a finisher, but he can drive to the basket and try to draw fouls or dish off.

Prescott wrote: This thread was not started as a "Hate" thread . It was started because I think Diebler bagan to realize that he can be more than a jump shooter. He can beat defenders off of the dribble if he wants to. He will never be a finisher, but he can drive to the basket and try to draw fouls or dish off.

Start a thread about Diebler, and you should know what your going to get into. There is no gray area with fans on Diebler. Then you have a couple that even if Deibler turned into an all american, would hate on him. It will go on until he leaves OSU.

thedynasty1998 wrote:

centralbucksfan wrote: Amazes me why people are so critical of someone who is doing nothing but give their best.

That right there is my sole problem with him. I don't think he gives his best.

One can literally live in the gym, but if they don't hustle/defend/rebound/play with toughness it's hard for me to respect their game. And that was my point about improving by hard work in the offseason, he can work all he wants, his problem is from within.

Well, we can disagree then. But I do venture down to practices and have seen personally the effort and work OSU players, Diebler puts in. I have talked with those around the program who speak very highly of his worth ethic as well.

centralbucksfan wrote: Well, we can disagree then. But I do venture down to practices and have seen personally the effort and work OSU players, Diebler puts in. I have talked with those around the program who speak very highly of his worth ethic as well.

You are not understanding what I'm trying to say. I'm not questioning his work ethic, I'm questioning his heart and effort. Big difference.

thedynasty1998 wrote:

centralbucksfan wrote: Well, we can disagree then. But I do venture down to practices and have seen personally the effort and work OSU players, Diebler puts in. I have talked with those around the program who speak very highly of his worth ethic as well.

You are not understanding what I'm trying to say. I'm not questioning his work ethic, I'm questioning his heart and effort. Big difference.

I am understanding, and completely dissagree. And work ethic and effort go hand in hand. One in the same basically.
Work ethic definition:
"A set of values based on the moral virtues of hard work and diligence"

Not that hard to understand IMO. One in the same.

You are completely off base. One can work harder at practice than anyone else, that doesn't mean they are going to play with effort in a game. I played with a guy who was a gym rat, always in the gym shooting. First one there and last one to leave. But when it came to a game, if a guy elbowed him in his chest, he tightened up. Wouldn't play hard and was completely ineffective.

You do understand that I'm questioning his effort during games right? For example, playing 40 minutes and not having one rebound, assist or steal. If you actually play hard with extreme effort, you will get at least one rebound.

Maybe he has a good work ethic AND puts forth the effort...some things are God given,and JD just may not have these talents in certain areas. Let's just hope that he keeps shooting lights out so he can contribute to the Buckeyes next season. IMO, we need him on the court not only as a scorer,but as a leader as well.

vball10set wrote: Maybe he has a good work ethic AND puts forth the effort...some things are God given,and JD just may not have these talents in certain areas. Let's just hope that he keeps shooting lights out so he can contribute to the Buckeyes next season. IMO, we need him on the court not only as a scorer,but as a leader as well.

Bingo, we have a winner! Vs Tenn, Diebler was out of his element with the number of athletes on the floor. They concentrated on him, and took him out of his game as they knew his shooting was big to OSU success.

thedynasty1998 wrote: You are completely off base. One can work harder at practice than anyone else, that doesn't mean they are going to play with effort in a game. I played with a guy who was a gym rat, always in the gym shooting. First one there and last one to leave. But when it came to a game, if a guy elbowed him in his chest, he tightened up. Wouldn't play hard and was completely ineffective.

You do understand that I'm questioning his effort during games right? For example, playing 40 minutes and not having one rebound, assist or steal. If you actually play hard with extreme effort, you will get at least one rebound.

No, I a nto off base, and I know what you are referring to. But i find it ironic you RARELY give him credit when he did play well. Which BTW, was in most of the Big Ten tourney games along with the other 3 NCAA games. So he had a bad/off game...it happens. He wasn't the ONLY player. YOu pick on him constantly. Lauderdale and Buford frustrate me more then Diebler because they have so much more ability and athleticism, its not funny. Diebler has limitations..they don't as far as athleticism is concerned. Why don't you ever focus on those two players? At least be honest...its quite honest you dislike Diebler and can't give an unbias view.

centralbucksfan wrote: They concentrated on him, and took him out of his game as they knew his shooting was big to OSU success.

BINGO! That explains it. They knew he was an aggressive rebounder so they put an extra body on him.

DO YOU EVEN READ WHAT I SAY? I never questioned his shooting, I asked how you can play 40 minutes and not get a single rebound. If you are serious with your comment that they took him out of his game, therefore he can't rebound, he's even softer than I ever imagined, that or I completely overestimated your knowledge of basketball.

My problem has never been his shooting, it's the other things that he refuses to do. If you don't make shots, do something else to contribute to help your team.

centralbucksfan wrote: No, I a nto off base, and I know what you are referring to. But i find it ironic you RARELY give him credit when he did play well. Which BTW, was in most of the Big Ten tourney games along with the other 3 NCAA games. So he had a bad/off game...it happens. He wasn't the ONLY player. YOu pick on him constantly. Lauderdale and Buford frustrate me more then Diebler because they have so much more ability and athleticism, its not funny. Diebler has limitations..they don't as far as athleticism is concerned. Why don't you ever focus on those two players? At least be honest...its quite honest you dislike Diebler and can't give an unbias view.

I have one question for you, Do you think Diebler is soft?

thedynasty1998 wrote:

centralbucksfan wrote: They concentrated on him, and took him out of his game as they knew his shooting was big to OSU success.

BINGO! That explains it. They knew he was an aggressive rebounder so they put an extra body on him.

DO YOU EVEN READ WHAT I SAY? I never questioned his shooting, I asked how you can play 40 minutes and not get a single rebound. If you are serious with your comment that they took him out of his game, therefore he can't rebound, he's even softer than I ever imagined, that or I completely overestimated your knowledge of basketball.

My problem has never been his shooting, it's the other things that he refuses to do. If you don't make shots, do something else to contribute to help your team.

Still waiting for you to answer my question? Why only Diebler and not Lauderdale or Buford?
BTW, you do realize in the previous 6 games before Tenn, that Diebler averaged 18pts per game...why no mention or credit?
Rebounding? He isn't on the floor to rebound, his role is what it is...shoot the ball. Lauderdale only had 6 rebounds, Turner was BELOW his average and Buford only had 4rbs. The entire team didn't rebound well. Get over your hate, its obvious...seriously.

thedynasty1998 wrote:

centralbucksfan wrote: No, I a nto off base, and I know what you are referring to. But i find it ironic you RARELY give him credit when he did play well. Which BTW, was in most of the Big Ten tourney games along with the other 3 NCAA games. So he had a bad/off game...it happens. He wasn't the ONLY player. YOu pick on him constantly. Lauderdale and Buford frustrate me more then Diebler because they have so much more ability and athleticism, its not funny. Diebler has limitations..they don't as far as athleticism is concerned. Why don't you ever focus on those two players? At least be honest...its quite honest you dislike Diebler and can't give an unbias view.

I have one question for you, Do you think Diebler is soft?

No, I honestly don't. He is obviously not Kramer from Purdue, but I don't think he is soft. He, just like Lauderdale and Buford both...could have done mroe, played better vs Tenn. It was far from Diebler fault, as you make it out to be.

centralbucksfan wrote: Still waiting for you to answer my question? Why only Diebler and not Lauderdale or Buford?
BTW, you do realize in the previous 6 games before Tenn, that Diebler averaged 18pts per game...why no mention or credit?
Rebounding? He isn't on the floor to rebound, his role is what it is...shoot the ball. Lauderdale only had 6 rebounds, Turner was BELOW his average and Buford only had 4rbs. The entire team didn't rebound well. Get over your hate, its obvious...seriously.

This thread isn't about them. If you want to start a thread about them I'll gladly discuss them as well.

How many times do I have to tell you that my problem isn't the scoring?

It's everyone's role to rebound. You are making me question your basketball knowledge. That was just a dumb comment. It's not his role to rebound? Really?

Tennessee players Ohio State AND Diebler were playing against.
Hopson 6-7
Chism 6-9
Prince 6-7
Tatum 6-6
Willliams 6-10
Hall 6-8

Tell us which of those players that are not more athletic than Diebler.
Tell us which of those players that are not a better leaper than Diebler.
Tell us which of those players that are not quicker than Diebler.
Tell us which of those players that are not stronger than Diebler.
Tell us which of those players that are shorter than Diebler.
Tell us which of those players that have shorter arms than Diebler.
Tell us which of those players don't block out well.
Tell us which of those players that are not a better rebounder than Diebler.

Surely you aren't so foolish not to comprehend why Ohio State as a team and Diebler as an individual failed to rebound well.
Turner had 7 rebounds and averages 9.2, Buford had 3 and averages 5.4, Lighty had 3 and averages 4.5.

Do you know if Matta had all of his players crash the offensive boards?
If you were going to have one of your players be the first to get back on defense and not go for an offensive rebound who would it be?

Illogical Hater. Are there any white players you don't hate?

Big Gain = Ignorant neophyte.

THEDYNASTY1998

Your an idot....What a wasted life you must lead...ha ha ha

Baseball wrote: THEDYNASTY1998

Your an idot....What a wasted life you must lead...ha ha ha

Thanks for the indepth insight!