Are you trying to bait me?

Prescott wrote: Diebler can also work on his handle.Turner did and look what it did for his game. I guess the bottom line is that Diebler must get better if he wants meaningful minutes on a consistent basis.

centralbucksfan wrote: Diebler will get better, just as he has the past 3yrs. But he has his limitations and is what he is. Some accept that, some don't.

Please don't compare him and his potential development to Turner.

thedynasty1998 wrote: Are you trying to bait me?

To try to take an unbiased approach, there is no reason to think that he will ever be more than just a shooter. He will be a big part of next year's team, but I hope that Matta has the wherewithal to judge his playing time game by game. I think this past year, Matta said these are my 5-6 guys and we are either going to lose or win with them, and no one else.

Next year, Matta will have options, so if Diebler gets 10 minutes or whatever in the first half and is shooting with confidence and making shots, then he gets a lot of minutes in the second half. If he plays like he did against Tennessee, then after 5 minutes Matta should put him on the bench and hopefully has the option to play someone else that will produce something.

It's still mind boggling to me his stats during their tournament loss.

Prescott wrote:

Please don't compare him and his potential development to Turner.

Don't be so defensive. Nobody is saying that Diebler can be Turner. All I am saying is that Turner got better by working on his handle. Dielbler is capable of getting better, as well, if he puts in the time.

thedynasty1998 wrote:

Prescott wrote:

Please don't compare him and his potential development to Turner.

Don't be so defensive. Nobody is saying that Diebler can be Turner. All I am saying is that Turner got better by working on his handle. Dielbler is capable of getting better, as well, if he puts in the time.

I understand what you were saying, but my point being that I think it's an insult to Turner. Not Turner's abilities necessarily, but his work ethic. Turner came into OSU with Diebler and both went through the same offseason program. It's obvious who put in the work to actually improve their game and was dedicated at getting better.

you're assuming similar inputs will yield similar outputs...which isn't always the case

This is what confused me the most in that game. Simmons came in and played 14 minutes in the first half for Lighty when he got into foul trouble. In those 14 minutes he went 3-4 from 3. Diebler on the other hand couldn't make anything. I thought that in the second half Matta should have sat Diebler and put Simmons back in, even if just for a few minutes. At that point we couldn't have done any worse at that position, and there's the chance that Simmons gets hot again, and if he doesn't, maybe the break helps clear Diebler's head and when he comes back in he gets hot. I will never understand why Matta didn't do this.

derek bomar wrote: you're assuming similar inputs will yield similar outputs...which isn't always the case

it shows a trend of him being maxed out in his abilities.

Prescott wrote: I don't think you are being totally objective. His numbers show that he took 20 more free throws this year as compared to last year. Couldn't he improve enough to get to the free throw line more often?

I do agree that it is unlikely for him to increase his 3-point shooting accuracy, since he did shoot 42% behind the arc. But, he was 35/70 in the (6) games before the horrible shooting performance against Tenn.

thedynasty1998 wrote:

derek bomar wrote: you're assuming similar inputs will yield similar outputs...which isn't always the case

Yea I know. It's like me practicing a spin move hour after hour, and it will never be as effective as Derek Bomar's.

When his rebounding and assist numbers go down, it tells me that he was less aggressive this year.

Prescott wrote: The numbers you are referring to can be impacted by a wide range of circumstances. I would argue that his assists were down because Turner had the ball 90% of the time.His rebounding numbers are down because a few balls didn't bounce his way or the opponent's missed fewer shots this year.

Are you arguing that to be the case with Diebler or not?

thedynasty1998 wrote:

centralbucksfan wrote: Diebler will get better, just as he has the past 3yrs. But he has his limitations and is what he is. Some accept that, some don't.

Has he really gotten better each year? Yea, maybe a little. But certainly not the way one could have reasonably expected

Freshman - 21 min, 5.9 ppg, 2.3 reb, 1.2 ast, 30% fg
Sophomore - 37 min, 11.2 ppg, 3.6 reb, 2.5 ast, 42% fg
Junior - 37 min, 13 ppg, 2.8 reb, 1.5 ast, 43% fg

Obviously he increased in confidence from his freshman to sophomore year, and you expect that naturally, but look at this other numbers. His assists were the same as his freshman year when he played almost half the minutes and his rebounding and assists numbers decreased from last year.

Not exactly what I would call getting better. I would call it maxing out.

CinciX12 wrote: The odds are against Jon ever becoming more than just a shooter.

Some need to learn to just accept it and move on.

Prescott wrote:

Are you arguing that to be the case with Diebler or not?

I am not arguing at all. I am merely saying that more research and film study wouls be needed to make that assertion based on those numbers.