GoChiefs wrote:

Glory Days wrote: so i didnt take this route. but when i was 18, had i moved out and got a job i would have been in debt. i dont know how anyone couldnt be considering most jobs people have before 18 arent exactly jobs you could live off of. buying a house, owning a car and living on your own would put just about anyone in debt right away.

Who said anything about getting a job and moving right out? Nothing around with working while at home to save up a buck or two. I don't care if you have a college education or not, you're going to be in debt eventually. It's a part of life for most people. I know when I got out of school, even with a college degree. I still bought a home, lived on my own, and had a car. So, even with my degree...I was still in debt. You don't have to buy a home at 18. You can rent. Which is the wise thing to do at that age. My son will have a car when he's 16. So, no debt there. The only expense he will have should have if he chooses this route is living on his own.

Glory Days wrote: so you will support him by letting him live at home while he works. but you wont support him by even paying for a little bit of college?

I Wear Pants wrote: Will you co-sign on student loans for him?

I Wear Pants wrote:

CenterBHSFan wrote: I just think that the other side of the debate is that kids are not entitled to a college education in alot of people's eyes. If the parents want to do that for their kids, fine.
But it isn't WRONG for the parents to let the kids choose to go to college and pay for it themselves.

Well yeah, but frankly it isn't an option for most people if you want to have any semblance of even an upper-middle class life.

GoChiefs wrote:

I Wear Pants wrote: Will you co-sign on student loans for him?

That's something I can say right now either. If he turns out to be a responsible kid, then sure. I would help him out by doing that as well. Like I said, right now, he's only 8. In 10 years, I might have a totally different opinion on all this anyways.

CenterBHSFan wrote:

I Wear Pants wrote:

CenterBHSFan wrote: I just think that the other side of the debate is that kids are not entitled to a college education in alot of people's eyes. If the parents want to do that for their kids, fine.
But it isn't WRONG for the parents to let the kids choose to go to college and pay for it themselves.

Well yeah, but frankly it isn't an option for most people if you want to have any semblance of even an upper-middle class life.

That's not true.

GoChiefs wrote:

Glory Days wrote: so you will support him by letting him live at home while he works. but you wont support him by even paying for a little bit of college?

Him living at home doesn't cost me thousands of dollars. Lol

Glory Days wrote: maybe not as much as a college degree, but it isnt free for you for him to live there. unless you make him pay his share of the water, electric, food, cable, internet bills etc. and hell, he can even pay you the couple thousand back after he gets out of college and has a better paying career than he probably would have at age 18. its win/win for you.

I Wear Pants wrote: What if he takes really long showers and gets really fat?

GoChiefs wrote:

sleeper wrote: I think GoCheifs is more concerned about using his money to get drunk every weekend and live a higher luxury lifestyle than help his kids out in life.

We have a word for that, it's called being selfish and you can take that to the bank.

Well, considering I'm not much of a drinker, and I never claimed to live a high luxury lifestyle. You obviously, as most times, don't know what you're talking about. Book it!

sleeper wrote: You do realize your kid is not going to actually pay for his own college degree right? His father obviously is content with a low paying menial job, and he's going to be raised to believe that's the correct way to live his life. If you have an incentive for him to go to college, ie, paying for a part of it, and reinforcing that with the reminder that obtaining a college degree puts you on the good path to be successful, then he will probably turn out okay. If you just tell him "go to college it's good for you" he's not going to have the knowledge or the money to get it done, and will probably end up flipping burgers at McDonalds for a living.

GoChiefs wrote:

sleeper wrote: You do realize your kid is not going to actually pay for his own college degree right? His father obviously is content with a low paying menial job, and he's going to be raised to believe that's the correct way to live his life. If you have an incentive for him to go to college, ie, paying for a part of it, and reinforcing that with the reminder that obtaining a college degree puts you on the good path to be successful, then he will probably turn out okay. If you just tell him "go to college it's good for you" he's not going to have the knowledge or the money to get it done, and will probably end up flipping burgers at McDonalds for a living.

How does me not paying for his college mean I am content with him having a low paying job? AGAIN, I don't need a college degree for my job, and I live comfortably with it. I have a good paying job without the needed college degree. The jobs are out there if you want them. Maybe not at the moment, but they were 3 years ago, and they probably will be again in 10 years from now when he gets out of high school. I know plenty of kids that go to college that pay for it themselves. The thought that he won't go to college b/c I won't pay for it is pretty stupid.

Over a work life, earnings for a worker with a bachelor's degree compared with one who had just a high school diploma increase by about $1 million for non-Hispanic Whites and about $700,000 for African Americans; Asians and Pacific Islanders; and Hispanics.

In 1999, average annual earnings ranged from $18,900 for high school dropouts to $25,900 for high school graduates, $45,400 for college graduates and $99,300 for the holders of professional degrees (medical doctors, dentists, veterinarians and lawyers).

sleeper wrote: LOL ruined.

GoChiefs wrote: I have a good paying job without the needed college degree. The jobs are out there if you want them.

GoChiefs wrote:

sleeper wrote: LOL ruined.

GoChiefs wrote: I have a good paying job without the needed college degree. The jobs are out there if you want them.

You can throw all the articles and stats out there you want. Stats are nothing but BS in most cases. But I've had good paying jobs ever since I got out of school. So like I said, if you're not afraid to work for them, they are out there.

GoChiefs wrote:

sleeper wrote: LOL ruined.

GoChiefs wrote: I have a good paying job without the needed college degree. The jobs are out there if you want them.

You can throw all the articles and stats out there you want. Stats are nothing but BS in most cases. But I've had good paying jobs ever since I got out of school. So like I said, if you're not afraid to work for them, they are out there.

Glory Days wrote: when you say "got out of school". do you mean highschool or college? and why not have a great paying job instead of just a good paying job?

sleeper wrote: Cliched argument.

Weren't you layed off and were QQ'ing on here about it on here? I'd like to carry your salary of your supposed good job to that of a college grad, most likely you are the exception to the rule, not the rule. I hope your kid is as lucky as you, because "BS stats" or not, he's going to have a hard time finding a decent paying job in 10 years.

GoChiefs wrote:

Glory Days wrote: when you say "got out of school". do you mean highschool or college? and why not have a great paying job instead of just a good paying job?

Out of college. But, like I said, my job had nothing to do with my college degree. I could have had the same job just out of high school.