I never have understood why parents wouldn't help their kids through college. Do you just not understand the importance of it? Or do you want your kids to do it the "hard way like you did?" Let them start their career's with a huge debt to companies who don't give a flying fuck about them rather than you helping them out and they have a better start. That makes a lot of sense.

pnhasbeen wrote: I would think most careers require a college degree and it is something employers look for, unless it's a labor job.

A parent doesn't have to pay ALL of the tuition, but I see no reason why they would let their children take the full brunt of it. Also, I believe parents should be saving from the time, if not before, for their child's college education.

I guess this kind of involves financial planning and fiscal responsibility and some people just don't value saving money for the future.

LJ wrote:Nothing pisses me off more than a person who has gotten rich by being fiscally responsible refusing to pay for their kids college education causing the kid to start their adult life thousands in debt.

GoChiefs wrote:

LJ wrote:Nothing pisses me off more than a person who has gotten rich by being fiscally responsible refusing to pay for their kids college education causing the kid to start their adult life thousands in debt.

If they can do..their child should be able to do it, correct?

LJ wrote: College costs are way different now than for people our parents age. My dad was able to work 3/4 time, pay for a house, and a kid, and paid for OSU. He was on track to graduate in 4 years time, but he quit to be a foreman for grandpa's construction company. Now, someone would have to make college graduate money, just to pay for college. So, no, if they could do it, they child cannot

GoChiefs wrote: It's not the parents responsibility to worry about how the kid is going to make money. A parents job is to raise their child the best they can to become a responsible adult. You're considered an adult at the age of 18. After that, you should no longer be a financial burden to your parents. I went to college, I paid for every dime of it. I never asked, nor expected my parents to pay a penny of my college education. College is to benefit MY future. Not my parents.

GoChiefs wrote:

LJ wrote:Nothing pisses me off more than a person who has gotten rich by being fiscally responsible refusing to pay for their kids college education causing the kid to start their adult life thousands in debt.

If they can do..their child should be able to do it, correct?

GoChiefs wrote:

LJ wrote: College costs are way different now than for people our parents age. My dad was able to work 3/4 time, pay for a house, and a kid, and paid for OSU. He was on track to graduate in 4 years time, but he quit to be a foreman for grandpa's construction company. Now, someone would have to make college graduate money, just to pay for college. So, no, if they could do it, they child cannot

Eh..I don't buy it. B/c I know they can. I did it. I went to college. Paid for it myself. Now make pretty decent money, have a wife and child, pretty nice home. Just call me ol' fashion I guess...just seems to me like the kids expect everything to be handed to them nowadays. You want a college education, go out and earn it on your own. It's not that hard to do if you really want it.

GoChiefs wrote:

.just seems to me like the kids expect everything to be handed to them nowadays. You want a college education, go out and earn it on your own. It's not that hard to do if you really want it.

pnhasbeen wrote:

GoChiefs wrote: It's not the parents responsibility to worry about how the kid is going to make money. A parents job is to raise their child the best they can to become a responsible adult. You're considered an adult at the age of 18. After that, you should no longer be a financial burden to your parents. I went to college, I paid for every dime of it. I never asked, nor expected my parents to pay a penny of my college education. College is to benefit MY future. Not my parents.

So you think parenting stops when they turn 18? Or just the financial aspect? See, I don't understand that. A parent's job is make their kids lives better than theirs. I see no benefit to them turning 18 with probably no real saved money and sending them into the world of thousands of dollars of debt. You are setting the kids up for a very, very slow start.

I'm sure the next response is going to include "they need to learn financial responsibility." Yes, they do. They should be learning that early in life with chores. The fact is, parents are going to give money for petty things all through the kids life. Make chores their job and use the money you would give them anyways the "salary." Through this you can teach the financial responsibility. Then you can build that with getting a real job and now they are dealing with bigger loads of cash.

Even if you do do that, throwing them out to deal with THOUSANDS of dollars right out of the gate isn't smart, in my opinion of course.

GoChiefs wrote:

LJ wrote:Nothing pisses me off more than a person who has gotten rich by being fiscally responsible refusing to pay for their kids college education causing the kid to start their adult life thousands in debt.

If they can do..their child should be able to do it, correct?

But a parents job should partly be to make their kids life better than what they had.

GoChiefs wrote:

pnhasbeen wrote:

GoChiefs wrote: It's not the parents responsibility to worry about how the kid is going to make money. A parents job is to raise their child the best they can to become a responsible adult. You're considered an adult at the age of 18. After that, you should no longer be a financial burden to your parents. I went to college, I paid for every dime of it. I never asked, nor expected my parents to pay a penny of my college education. College is to benefit MY future. Not my parents.

So you think parenting stops when they turn 18? Or just the financial aspect? See, I don't understand that. A parent's job is make their kids lives better than theirs. I see no benefit to them turning 18 with probably no real saved money and sending them into the world of thousands of dollars of debt. You are setting the kids up for a very, very slow start.

I'm sure the next response is going to include "they need to learn financial responsibility." Yes, they do. They should be learning that early in life with chores. The fact is, parents are going to give money for petty things all through the kids life. Make chores their job and use the money you would give them anyways the "salary." Through this you can teach the financial responsibility. Then you can build that with getting a real job and now they are dealing with bigger loads of cash.

Even if you do do that, throwing them out to deal with THOUSANDS of dollars right out of the gate isn't smart, in my opinion of course.

GoChiefs wrote:

LJ wrote:Nothing pisses me off more than a person who has gotten rich by being fiscally responsible refusing to pay for their kids college education causing the kid to start their adult life thousands in debt.

If they can do..their child should be able to do it, correct?

But a parents job should partly be to make their kids life better than what they had.

I guess this is where we differ. IMO, a parents job is to raise their child to be able to make the right choices to be able to better their own life. It's not my job as a parent to go out and make his life better than mine. I believe that is something they should strive for. It's not my responsibility. Again, that's solely my opinion. And it's gonna differ for everyone.

LJ wrote: So you went to a 4 year state university and finished in 4 years with no debt paying for it yourself? Didn't think so.

pnhasbeen wrote: And bullshit it's not that hard to do. It IS hard to do. It's real fucking hard. Especially when your parents should have been planning for years and are financially capable of helping you.

LJ wrote: Everyone should want their kid to have it better than they did.... That is what people have been striving for since the beginning of time.

GoChiefs wrote:

LJ wrote: So you went to a 4 year state university and finished in 4 years with no debt paying for it yourself? Didn't think so.

Did I say I didn't have any debt? No, I most certainly didn't. I pay my student loans every month. It's not a 'burden' to me. It's just another bill to pay. If your responsible, you won't have any problem with it.

pnhasbeen wrote: And bullshit it's not that hard to do. It IS hard to do. It's real fucking hard. Especially when your parents should have been planning for years and are financially capable of helping you.

We will just agree to disagree.

GoChiefs wrote:

LJ wrote: Everyone should want their kid to have it better than they did.... That is what people have been striving for since the beginning of time.

Of course they should. I want my son to have a better life than me. You're not a real parent if you don't. But it's not my job to set it up for him to make sure that happens. He has to have something to work for.

sleeper wrote: When someone says "let's just agree to disagree" I instantly translate it too "I've run out of cliched unoriginal thoughts on the matter so I'm going to use another one to get myself out of it" LOL