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dat dude
Posts: 1,564
Apr 12, 2010 8:48pm
I think the Moss trade is a completely different scenario. Moss was 30 years old and coming off his worst season ever with a bottom-feeder franchise. Holmes just turned 26 and coming off a career best year. He is entering that prime window of years as a WR in the NFL (3 or 4 yrs experience). He is worth a considerable amount more than a fifth round pick. It was an obvious knee-jerk reaction.wes_mantooth wrote: It is a crap trade, but when you compare it to another troubled receiver( the Randy Moss trade), it seems about right. Holmes is damaged goods and is going to want big money next year....Pittsburgh very rarely make personnel blunders, so if I were a Steeler fan, I wouldn't worry.
Non
Posts: 9,517
Apr 12, 2010 8:57pm
There is no chance the Steelers called around to 31 teams on a Sunday. They've shown in free agency that they operate with a steady hand and often don't begin their visits until the following Monday, after free agency begins on a Friday. They may have been considering trading Holmes for some time but I don't think they reached the point of actually pursuing offers until at least Saturday. There would've been rumors leaked about him being shopped. Look at how easy these NFL sites get leaks. This happened very fast on Sunday.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Apr 12, 2010 8:57pm
I just saw a statement from Roethlisberger earlier on NFL Live.. what do you call his haircut? Haha, it's terrible
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 12, 2010 9:05pm
It did seem pretty knee jerk.Non wrote: There is no chance the Steelers called around to 31 teams on a Sunday. They've shown in free agency that they operate with a steady hand and often don't begin their visits until the following Monday, after free agency begins on a Friday. They may have been considering trading Holmes for some time but I don't think they reached the point of actually pursuing offers until at least Saturday. There would've been rumors leaked about him being shopped. Look at how easy these NFL sites get leaks. This happened very fast on Sunday.
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Al Capone
Posts: 1,727
Apr 12, 2010 9:08pm
All you clowns and bungals fans wish you had half the qb that Ben is. Sure he makes immature mistakes but once the season starts and he starts winning, all will be forgotten.
Steelers-11-5
Ravens-10-6
Bungals-9-7
Clowns-5-11
Steelers-11-5
Ravens-10-6
Bungals-9-7
Clowns-5-11
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rock_knutne
Apr 12, 2010 9:11pm
Yeah we get it, you're a moron. Goodness that post is stupid but I wouldn't expect anything brite from a dumbass like you.Strapping Young Lad wrote: I'll take Favre. Hell I'll take anyone before Roethlisraper b/c what I'm saying to you is that even if they won the SB w/ a serial rapist at QB , that would ruin the experience for me. Get it??? Good.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Apr 12, 2010 9:15pm
Irony. I love it.rock_knutne wrote: Yeah we get it, you're a moron. Goodness that post is stupid but I wouldn't expect anything brite from a dumbass like you.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 12, 2010 9:20pm
Coming from a lifelong Steeler fan..Al Capone wrote: All you clowns and bungals fans wish you had half the qb that Ben is. Sure he makes immature mistakes but once the season starts and he starts winning, all will be forgotten.
Steelers-11-5
Ravens-10-6
Bungals-9-7
Clowns-5-11
Please go away
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Apr 12, 2010 9:24pm
Isn't it amazing how fast Capone can ruin a thread?? :huh:
Non
Posts: 9,517
Apr 12, 2010 9:25pm
It's hard to believe that a team like Tampa or St. Louis wouldn't take Santonio for even a 4th round pick. Or Oakland or Washington.
And maybe after thinking about it more, a team might come back with another offer in the next week or two. It would still send the same message that you're tired of him and want him off the team if you trade him in another 5-10 days.
The Steelers have made some moves where at first they seemed questionable but later you understand it more. But I don't feel that way about this. In some respects, they took a step in reclaiming their image by getting rid of a troublemaker. But then they took a step back as far as being a competent front office that makes smart personnel decisions. If you're going to be a classy organization but a stupid organization that's still not the image you're looking for.
And maybe after thinking about it more, a team might come back with another offer in the next week or two. It would still send the same message that you're tired of him and want him off the team if you trade him in another 5-10 days.
The Steelers have made some moves where at first they seemed questionable but later you understand it more. But I don't feel that way about this. In some respects, they took a step in reclaiming their image by getting rid of a troublemaker. But then they took a step back as far as being a competent front office that makes smart personnel decisions. If you're going to be a classy organization but a stupid organization that's still not the image you're looking for.
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rock_knutne
Apr 12, 2010 9:27pm
Exactly, you're just as big an idiot as he is.jordo212000 wrote:Irony. I love it.rock_knutne wrote: Yeah we get it, you're a moron. Goodness that post is stupid but I wouldn't expect anything brite from a dumbass like you.
stroups
Posts: 3,223
Apr 12, 2010 9:32pm
Well....... Palmer weighs 235 and Delhomme is at 215. If you add them both together they might make up half of Big Ben.Al Capone wrote: All you clowns and bungals fans wish you had half the qb that Ben is. Sure he makes immature mistakes but once the season starts and he starts winning, all will be forgotten.
Steelers-11-5
Ravens-10-6
Bungals-9-7
Clowns-5-11
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Apr 12, 2010 9:55pm
....there is something else you could add up and it wouldn't equal half of what Ben has.
Strapping Young Lad
Posts: 2,453
Apr 12, 2010 9:57pm
^^^Did he corner you in the bathroom and show you something too???
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Apr 12, 2010 10:53pm
Ben is also a dumbass who likes cereal.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 12, 2010 10:58pm
it's bright, not brite moronrock_knutne wrote:Exactly, you're just as big an idiot as he is.jordo212000 wrote:Irony. I love it.rock_knutne wrote: Yeah we get it, you're a moron. Goodness that post is stupid but I wouldn't expect anything brite from a dumbass like you.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Apr 12, 2010 11:01pm
5-7 games is my guess.killer_ewok wrote: Ben is also a dumbass who likes cereal.
They didn't re sign what's his name for no reason.
Non
Posts: 9,517
Apr 12, 2010 11:05pm
I think he'll get four.
Goodell and the Rooneys are pretty close when it comes to working together on league matters so that could help lessen the suspension but then again there is the pressure to make it even and not show favoritism to a white player.
Goodell and the Rooneys are pretty close when it comes to working together on league matters so that could help lessen the suspension but then again there is the pressure to make it even and not show favoritism to a white player.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Apr 12, 2010 11:09pm
I've said all along he'd get something regardless of charges due to the race card being played. I know it really doesn't seem fair but the Rooney's don't play that shit and the're not going to let it slide. Take the short term hit and restore what PR damage has been done. I don't fault them for that.
Sending Santonio packin' was a shot across Ben's bow.
Sending Santonio packin' was a shot across Ben's bow.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Apr 13, 2010 12:24am
Me neither. I mentioned the Moss trade last night as a prior example of a perceived problem WR having little market value. Like BR said, this was a message move. WRs are more expendable than good players at most positions, Pittsburgh's been having a disturbing number of allegations against them (in other news, charges against K Jeff Reed for his latest drunken fuck-up were dropped today...saw that on Yahoo Sports), so the hammer got dropped on Holmes to send everyone else a message to stop being fuck-ups.killer_ewok wrote:I'm honestly not worried about it.wes_mantooth wrote: It is a crap trade, but when you compare it to another troubled receiver( the Randy Moss trade), it seems about right. Holmes is damaged goods and is going to want big money next year....Pittsburgh very rarely make personnel blunders, so if I were a Steeler fan, I wouldn't worry.
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rock_knutne
Apr 13, 2010 7:18am
Another one of the village assholes, although it's probably more like the Village People with you three.DeyDurkie5 wrote:it's bright, not brite moronrock_knutne wrote:Exactly, you're just as big an idiot as he is.jordo212000 wrote:Irony. I love it.rock_knutne wrote: Yeah we get it, you're a moron. Goodness that post is stupid but I wouldn't expect anything brite from a dumbass like you.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Apr 13, 2010 8:33am
^^^you got quite a fan base there,rock...go away-nobody likes you
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 13, 2010 8:58am
God, I hope Roethlisberger got a free bowl of soup with that haircut he was sporting when he read his statement. Looked like he got attacked by Mike Trivosanno & Mickey Rourke's stylist.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Apr 13, 2010 9:06am
^^^Yeah..wtf was up wih that look...is he trying to bring back the mullet. Looksl ike he has been partying a lil too much.
I look for a two game suspension. When it gets released that will be the max that he gets..you can count on that.
I look for a two game suspension. When it gets released that will be the max that he gets..you can count on that.
Non
Posts: 9,517
Apr 13, 2010 10:14am
I'm more disappointed in that mullet than the events in Georgia. 
That should get him suspended for at least two games.
That should get him suspended for at least two games.