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Feb 5, 2010 2:43 AM
Also if you want to talk attendance:

http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance

Top 15 attendance figures

Team-Attendance-Capacity

1. Montreal: 21,273, 100%
2.Chicago: 21,009, 106.6%
3. Philly: 19,458, 99.8%
4. Detroit: 19,408, 96.7
5. Calgary: 19,289, 100%
6. Toronto: 19,250, 102.4%
7. St. Louis: 18,811, 98.2%
8. Vancouver: 18,810, 102.1%
9. Buffalo: 18,462, 98.8%
10. Minnesota: 18,351, 101.6% (Every home game has been sold out)
11. Washington: 18,277, 100%
12. New York Rangers: 18,200, 100%
13. Ottawa: 17,924, 96.9%
14. San Jose: 17,577, 100.4%
15. Boston: 17,312, 98.6%
17. Pittsburgh: 17,064, 100.6%
19. Edmonton: 16,839, 100%
Feb 5, 2010 2:43am
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Feb 5, 2010 2:55 AM
Do I think Pittsburgh will get the Pistons (or any NBA team)? No. They're a smaller market than Detroit, so I don't think they could really support two same-season sports the way that city has over the course of time. Cities the general size of Pittsburgh on this side of the Mississippi (where the overall population is more concentrated) tend not to have two directly overlapping pro teams (aka: Cleveland, Indy and Columbus with one winter sport team). Denver and Phoenix might not be much different as far as size goes, but they're big fish in a small pond. Pittsburgh and similarly sized cities in this part of the country are a different story, as cities in the few hundred thousand population crowd are far more common the farther east you go.

Would it be cool for Pittsburgh to have an NBA team if it could be supported without damaging the hockey team's support? Sure. Especially if they did nab LeBron. The evil side of me wishes to be here on a hypothetical day when he leaves Cleveland for Pittsburgh. Just to see how the faithful react to that. Not that there's a chance in hell that ever happens under any situation, IMO, but I find it a hilarious hypothetical situation to imagine...right down to the mass NE Ohio suicide-o-rama.
Feb 5, 2010 2:55am
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Feb 5, 2010 3:10 AM
Heretic wrote: Do I think Pittsburgh will get the Pistons (or any NBA team)? No. They're a smaller market than Detroit, so I don't think they could really support two same-season sports the way that city has over the course of time. Cities the general size of Pittsburgh on this side of the Mississippi (where the overall population is more concentrated) tend not to have two directly overlapping pro teams (aka: Cleveland, Indy and Columbus with one winter sport team). Denver and Phoenix might not be much different as far as size goes, but they're big fish in a small pond. Pittsburgh and similarly sized cities in this part of the country are a different story, as cities in the few hundred thousand population crowd are far more common the farther east you go.

Would it be cool for Pittsburgh to have an NBA team if it could be supported without damaging the hockey team's support? Sure. Especially if they did nab LeBron. The evil side of me wishes to be here on a hypothetical day when he leaves Cleveland for Pittsburgh. Just to see how the faithful react to that. Not that there's a chance in hell that ever happens under any situation, IMO, but I find it a hilarious hypothetical situation to imagine...right down to the mass NE Ohio suicide-o-rama.
LOL.
Feb 5, 2010 3:10am
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Feb 5, 2010 3:46 AM
The_Crosby_Show wrote: I've tried to watch the NBA but, it's pretty boring to watch. Without ESPN the NHL doesn't get that much coverage which I'm all right with. When you look at pure skill and what it takes to be a NHL player it blows the water out of the NBA. Anybody can dribble a basketball but, it's a lot harder to do things on skates.

Another thing, I cant stand watching the Sportscenter top 10 because all it's is dunks (same with baseball in the summer with diving catches)

Highlights from the best two players in the world (They impress me more than someone who is 6'8 and dunks)

Crosby:


Ovechkin:
lol. No, not just anybody can pick up a basketball and dribble. Sure, anybody can pick up a bball and bounce it, but dribbling and bouncing are two different things.

Don't get that stuff confused.

Also, pure skill in the NHL blows that of the NBA out of the water? LOL..

The NBA is home to the best athletes of any major sport. The skill those guys have is unmatched and some of the things these guys can do are pretty damn amazing.
Feb 5, 2010 3:46am
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Feb 5, 2010 4:04 AM
I really dislike the direct comparisons between basketball and hockey just because the skill sets for both sports are completely different. A great NBA player can do things that'll leave me with my jaw dropped to the floor. So can a great NHL player. No one in EITHER sport could enter the other one and be remotely decent. With a good bit of training, I'd guess that the cream of the crop could be serviceable in various roles at some level of play (due to being great athletes), but I can't fathom a superstar in one sport being more than a role player in the other.
Feb 5, 2010 4:04am
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rock_knutne

Feb 5, 2010 5:37 AM
Pittsburgh can't support another pro franchise, besides, everything stands still until the Steelers season is over. The Penguins have become one of the top two or three best NHL franchises because of their winning ways but, they don't have to share the spot light with another pro franchise during their season.........that helps.
Feb 5, 2010 5:37am
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pkebker

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Feb 5, 2010 9:01 AM
Las Vegas is the next destination for an NBA team.

Also, watch for the LA Clippers to move to San Diego. That will happen.
Feb 5, 2010 9:01am
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Feb 5, 2010 9:16 AM
pkebker wrote: Las Vegas is the next destination for an NBA team.

Also, watch for the LA Clippers to move to San Diego. That will happen.
I think the NBA (and other professional sports teams) has intentionally shyed away from Vegas due to all the "distractions" inherent in the city. I think of all of the major professional sports, the NBA should be the last to go there. They already have an image problem as it is.
I do agree with you on the Clippers making the move to San Diego.

Someone earlier mentioned Cincinnati as a possible destination. That makes since over Columbus, seeing there are a lot of Cav fans/transplated Cleveland people there and Cincinnati really has about maybe 10 Cav fans in the whole city. However, Cincinnati is not an NBA town. With UC, X, Miami, UK, UL, UD in the general area, the town is devoted to college basketball. An NBA team would not thrive there.
Feb 5, 2010 9:16am
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Feb 5, 2010 11:26 AM
dave wrote: detroit needs a new arena close to comerica for the pistons and wings.
Pistons don't need a new arena at all. The Palace is 20 years old and is still considered one of the nicest buildings in the league. No need to build a new arena. The Wings on the other hand will probably get a new one sometime this decade even though many people in Detroit love Joe Louis for the atmosphere in the building.
Feb 5, 2010 11:26am
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Feb 5, 2010 12:42 PM
Little Danny wrote:
pkebker wrote: Las Vegas is the next destination for an NBA team.

Also, watch for the LA Clippers to move to San Diego. That will happen.
I think the NBA (and other professional sports teams) has intentionally shyed away from Vegas due to all the "distractions" inherent in the city. I think of all of the major professional sports, the NBA should be the last to go there. They already have an image problem as it is.
I do agree with you on the Clippers making the move to San Diego.

Someone earlier mentioned Cincinnati as a possible destination. That makes since over Columbus, seeing there are a lot of Cav fans/transplated Cleveland people there and Cincinnati really has about maybe 10 Cav fans in the whole city. However, Cincinnati is not an NBA town. With UC, X, Miami, UK, UL, UD in the general area, the town is devoted to college basketball. An NBA team would not thrive there.
There's more to Vegas than the strip...The city is growing rapidly. There will be a team there in the not too distant future. I wonder if UNLV has any of those problems with distractions...
Feb 5, 2010 12:42pm
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Feb 5, 2010 2:00 PM
LTrain23 wrote:
The_Crosby_Show wrote: I've tried to watch the NBA but, it's pretty boring to watch. Without ESPN the NHL doesn't get that much coverage which I'm all right with. When you look at pure skill and what it takes to be a NHL player it blows the water out of the NBA. Anybody can dribble a basketball but, it's a lot harder to do things on skates.

Another thing, I cant stand watching the Sportscenter top 10 because all it's is dunks (same with baseball in the summer with diving catches)

Highlights from the best two players in the world (They impress me more than someone who is 6'8 and dunks)

Crosby:


Ovechkin:
lol. No, not just anybody can pick up a basketball and dribble. Sure, anybody can pick up a bball and bounce it, but dribbling and bouncing are two different things.

Don't get that stuff confused.

Also, pure skill in the NHL blows that of the NBA out of the water? LOL..

The NBA is home to the best athletes of any major sport. The skill those guys have is unmatched and some of the things these guys can do are pretty damn amazing.
I'm not trying to be a an ass or anything but, what those guys can do on Ice Skates is just more impressive than somebody who just dunks for the entire game Aka Shaq. LeBron and Kobe are the two best in the NBA. But on when it comes to pure skill NHL>NBA.
Feb 5, 2010 2:00pm
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Feb 5, 2010 2:26 PM
LTrain23 wrote: NBA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NHL.
This.
Feb 5, 2010 2:26pm
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Feb 5, 2010 3:03 PM
mtrulz wrote:
LTrain23 wrote: NBA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NHL.
This.
You don't matter Mtrulz.
Feb 5, 2010 3:03pm
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rock_knutne

Feb 5, 2010 3:07 PM
LTrain23 wrote:The NBA is home to the best athletes of any major sport.

LMAO........what hurts is you actually believe yourself!

The facts are, the Stanley Cup is the HARDEST championship to win in ALL of sports.
Feb 5, 2010 3:07pm
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Feb 5, 2010 3:19 PM
I used to be a really faithful Pistons fan but it is a rather apparent fact that the trade that cut the heart out of the Pistons seems to have become much more critical than originally thought. It would be too bad if the Pistons were sold and moved to a different location, but I'm not sure it would really matter much to me. I think it will be years before Detroit regains their play-off swagger. They are now also-rans.
Feb 5, 2010 3:19pm
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Feb 5, 2010 3:27 PM
rock_knutne wrote:
LTrain23 wrote:The NBA is home to the best athletes of any major sport.

LMAO........what hurts is you actually believe yourself!

The facts are, the Stanley Cup is the HARDEST championship to win in ALL of sports.
:D

Feb 5, 2010 3:27pm
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Feb 5, 2010 3:47 PM
LTrain23 wrote:
The_Crosby_Show wrote:
LTrain23 wrote: NBA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NHL.
Pshhh.

Idk about this one.
Well, you don't really have to know.

Seeing as how the revenue, attendance, and overall $$ is better for the NBA than the NHL, I have facts behind my claims.

Besides, what major network carries the NHL? Vs.?
You might want to check that attendance claim. The NBA of 20 years ago was close to the NHL in terms of excitement...the NBA today is God-awful and not even close.
Feb 5, 2010 3:47pm
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Feb 5, 2010 3:53 PM
rock_knutne wrote:
LTrain23 wrote:The NBA is home to the best athletes of any major sport.

LMAO........what hurts is you actually believe yourself!

The facts are, the Stanley Cup is the HARDEST championship to win in ALL of sports.
Well, for one I would say the World Cup...Followed by MLB(which pains me to say with how retarded baseball is)
Feb 5, 2010 3:53pm
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Feb 5, 2010 3:54 PM
Heretic wrote: Do I think Pittsburgh will get the Pistons (or any NBA team)? No. They're a smaller market than Detroit, so I don't think they could really support two same-season sports the way that city has over the course of time. Cities the general size of Pittsburgh on this side of the Mississippi (where the overall population is more concentrated) tend not to have two directly overlapping pro teams (aka: Cleveland, Indy and Columbus with one winter sport team). Denver and Phoenix might not be much different as far as size goes, but they're big fish in a small pond. Pittsburgh and similarly sized cities in this part of the country are a different story, as cities in the few hundred thousand population crowd are far more common the farther east you go.

Would it be cool for Pittsburgh to have an NBA team if it could be supported without damaging the hockey team's support? Sure. Especially if they did nab LeBron. The evil side of me wishes to be here on a hypothetical day when he leaves Cleveland for Pittsburgh. Just to see how the faithful react to that. Not that there's a chance in hell that ever happens under any situation, IMO, but I find it a hilarious hypothetical situation to imagine...right down to the mass NE Ohio suicide-o-rama.
LOL. That sound you'd be hearing is the masses jumping off that Cadavilier bandwagon.
Feb 5, 2010 3:54pm
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Feb 5, 2010 4:53 PM
DeyDurkie5 wrote:Well, for one I would say the World Cup...Followed by MLB(which pains me to say with how retarded baseball is)

The World Cup would be #2 IMO. Baseball would be dead last on my list, it in no way shape or form matches the physical intensity of the other major sports. The physical grind of playing four seven game series of "playoff" hockey, where the hitting is triple what it is in the regular season, to reach your final goal of winning the Stanley Cup is the difference. Skating at that pace isn't exactly "easy" either.
Feb 5, 2010 4:53pm
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Feb 5, 2010 5:31 PM
NBA is so much better than NHL, especially if you like to see guys lazily dribbling up and down. Jogging around. Then clear out and stand still while one of the guys, who's infinitely better than the rest, picks the ball up and runs 4 1/2 steps without dribbling and dunks. That just excites the hell out of me.

Only thing better is when you get to see a football team do a walk-thru practice. Now that makes the NBA look weak. I've got goosebumps just thinking about it.

Who likes action or hitting in a sport anyhow??? Not this guy. N-B-A!!! N-B-A!!!!
Feb 5, 2010 5:31pm
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Feb 5, 2010 5:42 PM
I like watching both the NHL and the NBA. I don't think you can compare the two. They are totally different sports, desiring seperate skill sets. Hockey is so fast paced, and more team oriented. NBA is slower, but run strategic plays almost every play. I also believe a fan really gets to know the players personalities more in the NBA, and the story lines are better.
Feb 5, 2010 5:42pm
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Feb 5, 2010 5:49 PM
rock_knutne wrote:
DeyDurkie5 wrote:Well, for one I would say the World Cup...Followed by MLB(which pains me to say with how retarded baseball is)

The World Cup would be #2 IMO. Baseball would be dead last on my list, it in no way shape or form matches the physical intensity of the other major sports. The physical grind of playing four seven game series of "playoff" hockey, where the hitting is triple what it is in the regular season, to reach your final goal of winning the Stanley Cup is the difference. Skating at that pace isn't exactly "easy" either.
DUDE, it takes 4 years of competition in beating out an entire countries worth of talent to even make it to the World Cup stage. Quit jacking off hockey and realize that while it is hard as shit to win, it's not THE hardest to win. Baseball has an enduring schedule, along with best of seven series throughout the playoffs.

Hockey is hard yes, but it certainly isn't the hardest to achieve. Hell winning the college football national championship is harder because in some circumstances, you lose 1 and you are done.
Feb 5, 2010 5:49pm
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Feb 5, 2010 6:03 PM
The World Cup of Soccer is deff. harder. The Memorial Cup in Canada is a hell of a lot harder as well. (60 teams participate).
Feb 5, 2010 6:03pm
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rock_knutne

Feb 5, 2010 6:34 PM
DeyDurkie5 wrote:DUDE, it takes 4 years of competition in beating out an entire countries worth of talent to even make it to the World Cup stage. Quit jacking off hockey and realize that while it is hard as shit to win, it's not THE hardest to win. Baseball has an enduring schedule, along with best of seven series throughout the playoffs.

Hockey is hard yes, but it certainly isn't the hardest to achieve. Hell winning the college football national championship is harder because in some circumstances, you lose 1 and you are done.
And an NHL season isn't long? We can agree do disagree, the road to the Stanley Cup is the hardest IMO and I love soccer.

BTW, qualification for the World Cup is not as hard as you make it out to be. The majority of the qualification groups generally have only one world power in them followed by a decent team and then countries that just can't compete at that level. Not that it hasn't happened but you rarely see a world soccer power not make the World Cup finals.
Feb 5, 2010 6:34pm