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Donte Whitner- "I think we should get Troy Smith to be our Qb"

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Jan 28, 2010 6:01 PM
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thedynasty1998 wrote: Let's not get carried away with the Brese/Rivers. Does Smith have potential? Yea, maybe. But there's a reason why he was drafted late, and he hasn't done anything to make people think he has the potential to be a starting QB.

Will he get a chance eventually? I think so. Do I hope he succeeds? Absolutely. But I'm not jumping on the Troy Smith bandwagon because his HS and college buddy thinks he's a good fit somewhere.
Just saying but Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round for a reason right? Also Troy Smith earned the starting job until he got sick. The thing that is frustrating as a buckeye fan is the QB play in the League is so damn terrible and to see him on the bench not getting a shot, sucks. And the 2011 season cold be locked out, so he needs to be on a different team by the start of training camp or we might not see him as a starter until 2012.
Brady is more of the exception, rather than the rule. But you're completely right basically, in that a guy can't be decided on until he's had an opportunity.
Jan 28, 2010 6:01pm
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Jan 28, 2010 6:12 PM
Honestly, Troy Smith is probably the most cost effective medium term solution for Buffalo.

You have to remember, Buffalo is one of the cheapest organizations in the NFL.
Jan 28, 2010 6:12pm
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Jan 28, 2010 6:23 PM
True that the Ravens were looking at Troy Smith as their starter until he got sick, but if he was so good why would an illness matter?

Smith was at the right place at the right time IMO, and it's not a knock on him.
Jan 28, 2010 6:23pm
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Jan 28, 2010 6:26 PM
Trueblue23 wrote: True that the Ravens were looking at Troy Smith as their starter until he got sick, but if he was so good why would an illness matter?

Smith was at the right place at the right time IMO, and it's not a knock on him.
Harbaugh just sounds a lot like many coaches "if it ain't broken, don't fix it"
Jan 28, 2010 6:26pm
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Jan 28, 2010 6:26 PM
he lost like 20 pounds
Jan 28, 2010 6:26pm
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Jan 28, 2010 6:26 PM
Trueblue23 wrote: True that the Ravens were looking at Troy Smith as their starter until he got sick, but if he was so good why would an illness matter?

Smith was at the right place at the right time IMO, and it's not a knock on him.
Well, first of all, the illness was pretty severe and he was not in playing shape when he finally got over it. Plus I think it lasted awhile. But think about it, they had 2 young QB's. Smith looked great but then Flacco got his chance and shined. There was no way they were going to see what they had in Smith and sit Flacco down after the way he came out of the gate.
Jan 28, 2010 6:26pm
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Jan 28, 2010 6:43 PM
Troy Smith was basically a walking corpse when he came down with that illness. Lost close to 20 pounds, had some pretty noitcable pallor, couldn't keep any solids down for a while,and had some really bad fatigue. Even if Flacco had sucked right out of the gate, I'm not so sure Smith would have been given a shot until later on in the year because he wasn't any where near playing shape for quite some time after he came down with the illness.
Jan 28, 2010 6:43pm
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Jan 28, 2010 9:00 PM
Keep in mind that was never a competition in the true sense of the word. They were going to start Troy Smith until Flacco was ready, not because he beat Flacco out for the job. Be honest when you make assertions.

Also, Ozzie Newsome is a better judge of talent than anyone posting here and he thought, with Troy on the roster, that he needed to go get a quarterback in the draft. Remember, he was going to make a trade for Derek Anderson rather than go into a season with Troy Smith as the plan for the future.

I applaud the guy for being aggressive about wanting a chance to start. I just don't think he's an NFL starter.
Jan 28, 2010 9:00pm
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Jan 28, 2010 9:17 PM
Yea, people make it seem like the only reason Flacco is playing right now is because Smith got sick.

Smith was in the Ravens organization for a full year before the Ravens decided to take Flacco in the 1st round. If the Ravens thought Smith had a lot of potential, they would have waited for him instead of picking a QB in the first round, a year after drafting the Heisman trophy winner.
Jan 28, 2010 9:17pm
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Jan 28, 2010 10:04 PM
No shit. They drafted him at the end of the 5th round. They took a chance on him. Doesn't mean they didn't believe in him and that's why they picked Flacco. It just isn't that bad an idea to pick up the Heisman winner in the 5th round. But he came out and earned the spot and surprised them. The job was his because he was playing well, not because they didn't want to throw Flacco out there immediately. They never in a million years thought he'd be as good as he is already either, regardless of where they picked him.
Jan 28, 2010 10:04pm
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Jan 28, 2010 10:07 PM
I really don't think Flacco is that good his job his to not throw picks and hand the ball off.
Jan 28, 2010 10:07pm
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Jan 28, 2010 10:09 PM
I really don't think he's as good as he's been credited with yet, but he is damn good for as young as he is. He's going to have a nice career.
Jan 28, 2010 10:09pm
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Jan 28, 2010 10:22 PM
I would like to see Troy Smith somewhere. Although I am a Steeler, I would like to see him with the Browns to push Brady/Derek out of there. Buffalo is not too bad of an option either. We'll see what happens.
Jan 28, 2010 10:22pm
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Jan 29, 2010 2:14 AM
With those talking about the grooming of Flacco I again bring up my prediction of a Drew Brees/Philip Rivers situation. Remember, San Diego was starting Brees until their new draft pick rookie was ready. The problem was that Brees started playing great and they had to make a choice. Also a similar situation to the 2007 Browns with Anderson/Quinn. Plus, Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez started from the gate. rookie QB's are getting more chances these days, especially those drafted in the 1st round.
Jan 29, 2010 2:14am
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Jan 29, 2010 8:25 AM
The Drew Brees comparison is laughable. Troy Smith is nowhere near the player Brees is and never will be.

What a joke.

Again, Ozzie TRADED UP to get Flacco with Troy on the roster. If he believed Troy was an NFL starter he never does that. You don't use a No. 1 for someone you think might be a backup.

If he was the Heisman winner from Notre Dame, you homers would be laughing at the idea of him as an NFL starter.
Jan 29, 2010 8:25am
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Jan 29, 2010 10:38 AM
Fidmeister wrote:

If he was the Heisman winner from Notre Dame, you homers would be laughing at the idea of him as an NFL starter.
But hes not so who cares.
Fact: He would have been the starter if he didnt get sick. Flacco played well in the preseason(when troy was sick), so he got the starting job.
Jan 29, 2010 10:38am
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Jan 29, 2010 11:14 AM
Fidmeister wrote: The Drew Brees comparison is laughable. Troy Smith is nowhere near the player Brees is and never will be.

What a joke.

Again, Ozzie TRADED UP to get Flacco with Troy on the roster. If he believed Troy was an NFL starter he never does that. You don't use a No. 1 for someone you think might be a backup.

If he was the Heisman winner from Notre Dame, you homers would be laughing at the idea of him as an NFL starter.
what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
Jan 29, 2010 11:14am
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Jan 29, 2010 12:09 PM
Fidmeister wrote: The Drew Brees comparison is laughable. Troy Smith is nowhere near the player Brees is and never will be.

What a joke.

Again, Ozzie TRADED UP to get Flacco with Troy on the roster. If he believed Troy was an NFL starter he never does that. You don't use a No. 1 for someone you think might be a backup.

If he was the Heisman winner from Notre Dame, you homers would be laughing at the idea of him as an NFL starter.
I'll agree with you in that I don't understand the Brees/Rivers comparison. Rivers was a first round pick and the chosen heir apparent at the position.

However, is this the same Ozzie who TRADED UP to draft Kyle Boller in 2003? Point being, player evaluators make mistakes. I could cite tens of players who were overvalued or undervalued. IMO, if Troy gets a shot somewhere, he will be a productive QB.
Jan 29, 2010 12:09pm
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Jan 29, 2010 12:11 PM
dat dude wrote:
Fidmeister wrote: The Drew Brees comparison is laughable. Troy Smith is nowhere near the player Brees is and never will be.

What a joke.

Again, Ozzie TRADED UP to get Flacco with Troy on the roster. If he believed Troy was an NFL starter he never does that. You don't use a No. 1 for someone you think might be a backup.

If he was the Heisman winner from Notre Dame, you homers would be laughing at the idea of him as an NFL starter.
I'll agree with you in that I don't understand the Brees/Rivers comparison. Rivers was a first round pick and the chosen heir apparent at the position.

However, is this the same Ozzie who TRADED UP to draft Kyle Boller in 2003? Point being, player evaluators make mistakes. I could cite tens of players who were overvalued or undervalued. IMO, if Troy gets a shot somewhere, he will be a productive QB.
Cite them
Jan 29, 2010 12:11pm
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Jan 29, 2010 12:14 PM
^ You don't think there have been 30 or so players who have been over or undervalued in the NFL draft?
Jan 29, 2010 12:14pm
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Jan 29, 2010 12:30 PM
2quik4u wrote:
dat dude wrote:
Fidmeister wrote: The Drew Brees comparison is laughable. Troy Smith is nowhere near the player Brees is and never will be.

What a joke.

Again, Ozzie TRADED UP to get Flacco with Troy on the roster. If he believed Troy was an NFL starter he never does that. You don't use a No. 1 for someone you think might be a backup.

If he was the Heisman winner from Notre Dame, you homers would be laughing at the idea of him as an NFL starter.
I'll agree with you in that I don't understand the Brees/Rivers comparison. Rivers was a first round pick and the chosen heir apparent at the position.

However, is this the same Ozzie who TRADED UP to draft Kyle Boller in 2003? Point being, player evaluators make mistakes. I could cite tens of players who were overvalued or undervalued. IMO, if Troy gets a shot somewhere, he will be a productive QB.
Cite them
I know you didn't ask me but I figured I could answer this pretty easily.

Overvalued

Kyle Boller
Akili Smith
Cade McNown
Ryan Leaf
Chris Redman
Robert Gallery
Braylon Edwards
Courtney Brown
Vernon Gholston
Charles Rogers
Mike Williams
Joey Harrington

Undervalued

Terrell Davis
Tom Brady
Kurt Warner
Tony Romo
Drew Brees
Terrell Owens
Brandon Marshall
Marques Colston
Anquan Boldin
Wes Welker
Jason Taylor
Jan 29, 2010 12:30pm
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Jan 29, 2010 12:43 PM
HighRoller74 wrote:
2quik4u wrote:
dat dude wrote:
Fidmeister wrote: The Drew Brees comparison is laughable. Troy Smith is nowhere near the player Brees is and never will be.

What a joke.

Again, Ozzie TRADED UP to get Flacco with Troy on the roster. If he believed Troy was an NFL starter he never does that. You don't use a No. 1 for someone you think might be a backup.

If he was the Heisman winner from Notre Dame, you homers would be laughing at the idea of him as an NFL starter.
I'll agree with you in that I don't understand the Brees/Rivers comparison. Rivers was a first round pick and the chosen heir apparent at the position.

However, is this the same Ozzie who TRADED UP to draft Kyle Boller in 2003? Point being, player evaluators make mistakes. I could cite tens of players who were overvalued or undervalued. IMO, if Troy gets a shot somewhere, he will be a productive QB.
Cite them
I know you didn't ask me but I figured I could answer this pretty easily.

Overvalued

Kyle Boller
Akili Smith
Cade McNown
Ryan Leaf
Chris Redman
Robert Gallery
Braylon Edwards
Courtney Brown
Vernon Gholston
Charles Rogers
Mike Williams
Joey Harrington

Undervalued

Terrell Davis
Tom Brady
Kurt Warner
Tony Romo
Drew Brees
Terrell Owens
Brandon Marshall
Marques Colston
Anquan Boldin
Wes Welker
Jason Taylor
the only one I don't agree with is Braylon compared to the rest of the guys he is by far the best. Yes he didn't stand up to his expectations but to be put next to ryan leaf and akili smith I don't agree with.
Jan 29, 2010 12:43pm
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Jan 29, 2010 3:54 PM
The OSU bias on here is priceless. If Smith was better than Flacco or anyone for that matter he would either play now or be traded to play . The NFL only cares about wins and if he could help, he'd play. End of fairy tale story. :-)
Jan 29, 2010 3:54pm
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Jan 29, 2010 5:21 PM
TODD_PACKER wrote: The OSU bias on here is priceless. If Smith was better than Flacco or anyone for that matter he would either play now or be traded to play . The NFL only cares about wins and if he could help, he'd play. End of fairy tale story. :-)
better watch where you say that around here
Jan 29, 2010 5:21pm
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Jan 29, 2010 6:11 PM
TODD_PACKER wrote: The OSU bias on here is priceless. If Smith was better than Flacco or anyone for that matter he would either play now or be traded to play . The NFL only cares about wins and if he could help, he'd play. End of fairy tale story. :-)
Really? You think Baltimore would play their 5th round guy over the guy they invested a 1st round pick on? Then you say that "well uh if he were good he'd be traded." Um, did you ever think that maybe Baltimore kept him so they'd have a reliable backup if Flacco went down? Teams DO tend to do that, it doesn't mean he can't start for another team. He's going to either get traded from Baltimore or leave following the end of his contract because he knows he can be a starting NFL qb. And when he gets a legitimate opportunity to win the job I believe he will do so. Hell I'd GLADLY take him over both Brady Quinn and Derek Anderception on the Browns. Nice to see that since your argument has no logic you simply blindly throw out "osu bias" and hope it sticks. The only "fairy tale story" is the one that says you know what you're talking about ;)
Jan 29, 2010 6:11pm