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Skyhook79

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Jan 16, 2010 1:38 PM
4. The who is better, Cavs or Magic, is a moot point because the real best team ended up winning the Championship anyway.
Jan 16, 2010 1:38pm
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Jan 16, 2010 2:13 PM
JakeGiant wrote:
wes_mantooth wrote: I am not in agreement that the Cavs need to get rid of Brown, I just don't think he is anything special. I think there are very few difference making coaches in the NBA...Sloan, Popavich, and Jackson. I do agree with footwedge in that upsets happen even in a 7 game series......the best team doesn't always win. Orlando just shot an unbelievable percentage and then they went cold against the Lakers.....it happen.

1) Orlando Series wasn't an upset.

2) Cleveland's D was great...against less-than-stellar competition. Against the better teams, they cracked.

3) Orlando went "cold" because the Lakers played better D.
disagree. The same shots that were wide open and falling in the Cleveland series, were bricks against the Lakers. I do agree that the Lakers were the best team though, but definitely not because of defense.
Jan 16, 2010 2:13pm
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Jan 16, 2010 2:20 PM
wes_mantooth wrote:
JakeGiant wrote:
wes_mantooth wrote: I am not in agreement that the Cavs need to get rid of Brown, I just don't think he is anything special. I think there are very few difference making coaches in the NBA...Sloan, Popavich, and Jackson. I do agree with footwedge in that upsets happen even in a 7 game series......the best team doesn't always win. Orlando just shot an unbelievable percentage and then they went cold against the Lakers.....it happen.

1) Orlando Series wasn't an upset.

2) Cleveland's D was great...against less-than-stellar competition. Against the better teams, they cracked.

3) Orlando went "cold" because the Lakers played better D.
disagree. The same shots that were wide open and falling in the Cleveland series, were bricks against the Lakers. I do agree that the Lakers were the best team though, but definitely not because of defense.
The Lakers most definitely played better defense. The Lakers completely shut down Dwight Howard.
Jan 16, 2010 2:20pm
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SQ_Crazies

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Jan 16, 2010 2:34 PM
Dwight Howard's stats vs Lakers:

Game 1: 12 pts, 15 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks
Game 2: 17 pts, 16 boards, 4 assists, 4 steals, 4 blocks
Game 3: 21 pts, 14 boards, 2 assists, 1 steal, 2 blocks
Game 4: 16 pts, 21 boards, 2 assists, 0 steals, 9 blocks
Game 5: 11 pts, 10 boards, 1 assist, 1 steal, 3 blocks

Average: 15.4 pts, 15.2 boards, 2.2 assists, 1.6 steals, 4 blocks

I wouldn't say they completely shut him down. They limited his scoring more, but it's been proven over time that slowing him down from a scoring standpoint happens on a semi-regular basis. The Lakers just had guys in the post that could match up with him better than the Cavs.
Jan 16, 2010 2:34pm
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Jan 16, 2010 4:18 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: Dwight Howard's stats vs Lakers:

Game 1: 12 pts, 15 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks
Game 2: 17 pts, 16 boards, 4 assists, 4 steals, 4 blocks
Game 3: 21 pts, 14 boards, 2 assists, 1 steal, 2 blocks
Game 4: 16 pts, 21 boards, 2 assists, 0 steals, 9 blocks
Game 5: 11 pts, 10 boards, 1 assist, 1 steal, 3 blocks

Average: 15.4 pts, 15.2 boards, 2.2 assists, 1.6 steals, 4 blocks

I wouldn't say they completely shut him down. They limited his scoring more, but it's been proven over time that slowing him down from a scoring standpoint happens on a semi-regular basis. The Lakers just had guys in the post that could match up with him better than the Cavs.
He also shot only 48% from the field vs the Lakers and played an average of 42.6 minutes per game against the lakers.

Compare that to the Cavs series where he played only 38.5 minutes per game, shot 65% from the field, averaged 25 .8 ppg and 13 rpg.
The Lakers for sure shut him down.
Jan 16, 2010 4:18pm
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Jan 16, 2010 6:02 PM
If any of you believe that the Magic were "super hot" from behind the arc for two weeks while playing the Cavs then went "super cold" when playing the Lakers then you're retarded. The Cavs steamrolled the Pistons and Hawks and then suddenly sucked all Orlando series? Sure, that's how it works. Over a 7 game series the better team will show itself. Cleveland got shit on in an elimination game and some of you still think they were the better team. Part of being the best is being able to beat four teams with different styles, different personnel, etc. The shots that Orlando took in the Cleveland series were over 6'3" guys or Anderson Varejao who had to give space(Lewis' Game 1 winner). There's a little bit of a difference between Delonte West/Anderson Varejao and Trevor Ariza/Lamar Odom.


Orlando was a bad matchup for Cleveland, plain and simple. They were too small and unathletic to get out to Orlando's shooters. Had Boston won the Orlando series the Cavs would have walked to the Finals.
Jan 16, 2010 6:02pm
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JakeGiant

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Jan 16, 2010 6:20 PM
Sometimes, denial can be a real pain.
Jan 16, 2010 6:20pm
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Jan 16, 2010 6:22 PM
^^^^Look up the numbers on the Magic last year from behind the arc in the reg. season vs. the playoffs vs. the Cavs. It was an anomole, a friek of nature, a lightning strike, hitting the lottery type of thing....especially given the fact the during the season, the Cavs were the #1 defensive team against the 3ball.

Hey...shit happens all the time. Back in 1969, the Colts were favored by 18 points over Namath's Jets. Jets won 16-7. Had they played the following Sunday, the Colts would have been favored by 17 points.

Against the Lakers, the Magic had the exact same looks and missed them.

The matchup argument is overrated. Are the Atlanta Hawks better than the Celtics this year? You won't find one NBA guru that would buy that....despite Atlanta blowing out Boston twice in the Garden and once at home.

Kudos to the Magic for playing way over their heads and upsetting the heavily favored Cavaliers.
Jan 16, 2010 6:22pm
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Jan 16, 2010 6:32 PM
In a 1-game setting, those are truly upsets. When a team that's been consistently beating you, and then did it again in a 6-game Series, they're simply better.
Jan 16, 2010 6:32pm
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Jan 16, 2010 7:14 PM
JakeGiant wrote: In a 1-game setting, those are truly upsets. When a team that's been consistently beating you, and then did it again in a 6-game Series, they're simply better.
From Danny Sheridan....national oddsmaker....

"Danny Sheridan's odds: Cavaliers favored 6:1 for the series; Cavaliers 5:7 and Magic 15:1 against winning the NBA title"

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2009-05-19-matchup-cavaliers-magic_N.htm
Jan 16, 2010 7:14pm
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Jan 16, 2010 7:19 PM
Footwedge wrote:
JakeGiant wrote: In a 1-game setting, those are truly upsets. When a team that's been consistently beating you, and then did it again in a 6-game Series, they're simply better.
From Danny Sheridan....national oddsmaker....

"Danny Sheridan's odds: Cavaliers favored 6:1 for the series; Cavaliers 5:7 and Magic 15:1 against winning the NBA title"

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2009-05-19-matchup-cavaliers-magic_N.htm
lol at you arguing odds against actual game play
Jan 16, 2010 7:19pm
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Jan 16, 2010 7:20 PM
Make sure to fax my quote to Sheridan as well.
Jan 16, 2010 7:20pm
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Jan 16, 2010 7:31 PM
2quik4u wrote:
Footwedge wrote:
JakeGiant wrote: In a 1-game setting, those are truly upsets. When a team that's been consistently beating you, and then did it again in a 6-game Series, they're simply better.
From Danny Sheridan....national oddsmaker....

"Danny Sheridan's odds: Cavaliers favored 6:1 for the series; Cavaliers 5:7 and Magic 15:1 against winning the NBA title"

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2009-05-19-matchup-cavaliers-magic_N.htm
lol at you arguing odds against actual game play
LOL @ you not understanding why he posted it.
Jan 16, 2010 7:31pm
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Jan 16, 2010 8:14 PM
WOW, Phil, Skyhook, whatever your real name is, and jake, I find it shocking as a Cavs fans that I'm starting to like you guys better than my own fellow Cavs fans. I've never met a fucking tool like footwedge before, who feels like he's a tough guy by saying stupid shit time and time again to people like me that realize our coach may in fact be holding us back from being even better. I use facts, I've posted how many times now the fact that we DO NOT win defensive contests enough, yet, he still manages to snake his way into more yadda yadda bullshit talk, with no facts. "He was coach of the year a year ago". Woopty fucking doo. Did we win the ring? Does it really matter what award he won? I don't give a shit. He might as well give that award to John Kuester, since its been a proven fact that our offense (you know, those games we almost never lose when we put up 100 or more) has done a hell of a lot better for this team than Browns defense (.650 win percentage when we don't put up the magical 100).
Jan 16, 2010 8:14pm
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Footwedge

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Jan 16, 2010 8:27 PM
LOL^^^. You post facts? I posted the facts. It's up to you to read them and understand them. And dude...this is the internet...really...it will all be OK. Trust me.
Jan 16, 2010 8:27pm
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h2thaizzo

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Jan 16, 2010 8:35 PM
The internet? You don't say Al Gore. After all, you were the pissy bitch last night that wouldn't stop with the name calling, so don't act all innocent today. Oh yeah, how do your knees feel after blowing Mike Brown last night?
Jan 16, 2010 8:35pm
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Jan 16, 2010 8:38 PM
Footwedge wrote: ^^^^Look up the numbers on the Magic last year from behind the arc in the reg. season vs. the playoffs vs. the Cavs. It was an anomole, a friek of nature, a lightning strike, hitting the lottery type of thing....especially given the fact the during the season, the Cavs were the #1 defensive team against the 3ball.

Hey...shit happens all the time. Back in 1969, the Colts were favored by 18 points over Namath's Jets. Jets won 16-7. Had they played the following Sunday, the Colts would have been favored by 17 points.

Against the Lakers, the Magic had the exact same looks and missed them.

The matchup argument is overrated. Are the Atlanta Hawks better than the Celtics this year? You won't find one NBA guru that would buy that....despite Atlanta blowing out Boston twice in the Garden and once at home.

Kudos to the Magic for playing way over their heads and upsetting the heavily favored Cavaliers.



Magic regular season 3pt%- .381

Magic Playoff 3pt%- .359

Magic/ Cavs series 3pt% .401

Thats not an anomole, a freak of nature, a lightning strike, hitting the lottery type of thing IN ANY WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 16, 2010 8:38pm
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h2thaizzo

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Jan 16, 2010 8:39 PM
Skyhook79 wrote:
Footwedge wrote: ^^^^Look up the numbers on the Magic last year from behind the arc in the reg. season vs. the playoffs vs. the Cavs. It was an anomole, a friek of nature, a lightning strike, hitting the lottery type of thing....especially given the fact the during the season, the Cavs were the #1 defensive team against the 3ball.

Hey...shit happens all the time. Back in 1969, the Colts were favored by 18 points over Namath's Jets. Jets won 16-7. Had they played the following Sunday, the Colts would have been favored by 17 points.

Against the Lakers, the Magic had the exact same looks and missed them.

The matchup argument is overrated. Are the Atlanta Hawks better than the Celtics this year? You won't find one NBA guru that would buy that....despite Atlanta blowing out Boston twice in the Garden and once at home.

Kudos to the Magic for playing way over their heads and upsetting the heavily favored Cavaliers.



Magic regular season 3pt%- .381

Magic Playoff 3pt%- .359

Magic/ Cavs series 3pt% .401

Thats not an anomole, a freak of nature, a lightning strike, hitting the lottery type of thing IN ANY WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're talking to a brick wall man. The only stats the guy cares about are 66-16 and Mike Brown coach of year. Nothing else matters to him.
Jan 16, 2010 8:39pm
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Footwedge

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Jan 16, 2010 8:42 PM
h2thaizzo wrote: The internet? You don't say Al Gore. After all, you were the pissy bitch last night that wouldn't stop with the name calling, so don't act all innocent today. Oh yeah, how do your knees feel after blowing Mike Brown last night?
Nice high school humor there...grow up. What are you, 13? Serious question.
Jan 16, 2010 8:42pm
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h2thaizzo

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Jan 16, 2010 8:43 PM
Yes, I am, which means I'm a year older than you.
Jan 16, 2010 8:43pm
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Footwedge

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Jan 16, 2010 8:45 PM
Skyhook79 wrote:
Footwedge wrote: ^^^^Look up the numbers on the Magic last year from behind the arc in the reg. season vs. the playoffs vs. the Cavs. It was an anomole, a friek of nature, a lightning strike, hitting the lottery type of thing....especially given the fact the during the season, the Cavs were the #1 defensive team against the 3ball.

Hey...shit happens all the time. Back in 1969, the Colts were favored by 18 points over Namath's Jets. Jets won 16-7. Had they played the following Sunday, the Colts would have been favored by 17 points.

Against the Lakers, the Magic had the exact same looks and missed them.

The matchup argument is overrated. Are the Atlanta Hawks better than the Celtics this year? You won't find one NBA guru that would buy that....despite Atlanta blowing out Boston twice in the Garden and once at home.

Kudos to the Magic for playing way over their heads and upsetting the heavily favored Cavaliers.



Magic regular season 3pt%- .381

Magic Playoff 3pt%- .359

Magic/ Cavs series 3pt% .401

Thats not an anomole, a freak of nature, a lightning strike, hitting the lottery type of thing IN ANY WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for posting what I already knew. Maybe you need a math lesson. .401 is signifantly higher than .359. Or 381 for that matter

And the .359 illustrates even further that the Magic lit it up against Cleveland...and not the Lakers. Do you want me to post the Magic's 3% against the Lakers?

I didn't think so.

Like I said...congrats to the Magic for pulling off one of the biggest upsets in sports history.
Jan 16, 2010 8:45pm
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Footwedge

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Jan 16, 2010 8:48 PM
h2thaizzo wrote: Yes, I am, which means I'm a year older than you.
I'm not surprised.
Jan 16, 2010 8:48pm
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Jan 16, 2010 8:51 PM
The Magic dominated the playoff series with the Cavs and also won the regular season series..

That is not an anomaly, that is Orlando being the better team... They also destroyed us in that late regular season game in Orlando...

We were only the favorites because we had a better regular season record...
Jan 16, 2010 8:51pm
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Jan 16, 2010 8:53 PM
LTrain23 wrote: The Magic dominated the playoff series with the Cavs and also won the regular season series..

That is not an anomaly, that is Orlando being the better team... They also destroyed us in that late regular season game in Orlando...

We were only the favorites because we had a better regular season record...
Yep and you would have thunk Brown would have made adjustments or created a game plan to somewhat slow the mis matches that Orlando had on us. But he didn't and when he knew he had to change something he had no clue what to do at all.
Jan 16, 2010 8:53pm
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Jan 16, 2010 8:55 PM
devil1197 wrote:
LTrain23 wrote: The Magic dominated the playoff series with the Cavs and also won the regular season series..

That is not an anomaly, that is Orlando being the better team... They also destroyed us in that late regular season game in Orlando...

We were only the favorites because we had a better regular season record...
Yep and you would have thunk Brown would have made adjustments or created a game plan to somewhat slow the mis matches that Orlando had on us. But he didn't and when he knew he had to change something he had no clue what to do at all.
Not to mention all the 15-20 point leads that they blew.
Jan 16, 2010 8:55pm