Heretic;1789388 wrote:I say we just sit back and laugh while the people who trashed others for voting for Obama based on vague promises that never had much of a chance happening "HOPE AND CHANGE LOLFAIL" are now trying to convince themselves that another guy who offers nothing besides "tough talk" and vague promises that probably will never happen is either a viable option or something that NEEDS. TO. HAPPEN.

Partisan politics for the win!

Automatik;1789389 wrote:Nailed it.

QuakerOats;1789393 wrote:Except the difference is --- Trump has actually done something in the REAL WORLD --- ran a business, employed people, balanced budgets, signed paychecks, built things, managed, negotiated, dealt with issues, problems, opportunities, and has some vision. obama didn't do jack --- handed a law degree and was an absent politician for a couple years.

The difference is stark. Give me the guy who has actually done something real.

ptown_trojans_1;1789400 wrote:You should be comparing Trump to Hillary, not Obama.
Again, Obama is not running. He does not matter.

iclfan2;1789368 wrote:I get the Trump hate, I think he is a douche bag myself, but no real conservative would ever vote for Hillary. Vote for Gary Johnson all you want, but a vote for Hillary should be embarrassing.

sleeper;1789410 wrote:No real conservative? Yeah, I'm not a Republican so don't care about not being a "real conservative".

iclfan2;1789414 wrote:Apparently I assumed you were right leaning fiscally due to your repeated talk of business success and intelligence.

Conservative isn't a party, it is a belief system. Mostly around fiscal policy, at least for me. Therefore I would never vote for someone wanting to take money out of my own pockets. I don't give a shit about social issues or what you do in your house, just don't make my tax dollars pay for it. I was registered as an independent when I was in a state that you had to register as one or the other. That's why I specifically didn't say republican, because our two political parties are garbage.

I would not vote for Trump.

iclfan2;1789368 wrote:I get the Trump hate, I think he is a douche bag myself, but no real conservative would ever vote for Hillary. Vote for Gary Johnson all you want, but a vote for Hillary should be embarrassing.

HitsRus;1789422 wrote:+1
Now you have all these media types, who are at least partly responsible for the garbage that we have to choose from, talking about how a brokered convention or a third party candidate would devastate the Republican party.

I submit to you that has alreadyhappened, and that if the convention is brokered, or if Trump wins the nomination outright, I'm in favor of another candidate running 3rd party...one that conservatives could get behind, although they'd have to be a bit more moderate to attract people in the middle or from the democratic side. It's funny to hear the talking heads wax eloquent about how the "will of the people" should not be ignored....but they forget that this country was set up as a Republic to prevent the "will of the people" majority from riding roughshod over good sense. We elect representatives and delegates to make informed decisions about our welfare and if that means reversing the "will of the people" who made up their voting minds over 30 sec sound bites and under the duress of negative advertising...so be it.
Maybe it's not such a bad thing if they put up competent candidates capable of leading the United States that are not flaming socialists, political opportunists, media manipulators or criminals.

While I'm not advocating that this be the norm, does party "leadership" have the right to reject a candidate that does not espouse party values. Something to think about.

Automatik;1789375 wrote:How has Obama failed to protect your money? How will Trump change it for the better?

rrfan;1789431 wrote:Is this a real question? You have to be joking right? How old are you? Really I get that we don't agree on the next president but there is no way this is a serious post....

rrfan;1789429 wrote:If that happens just hand it to Hillary...

Automatik;1789433 wrote:Why is it so hard for you to answer simple questions?

• Blocking the Keystone Pipeline. President Obama gave opponents of the Keystone pipeline “reason for hope” recently when he told the New York Times “there is no evidence” that the project “would be a big jobs generator.” The vast majority of Americans disagree. A recent National Journal survey found that “67 percent support building the pipeline” saying it “will ease America’s dependence on Mideast oil and create jobs.” The pipeline also has the backing of labor unions and manufacturers, who call it an “economic engine” that will create thousands of jobs.
• Threatening a Government Shutdown Over More Tax Hikes. The White House is spoiling for a government shutdown, issuing veto threats aimed at rolling back the sequester he proposed, and extracting more tax hikes on American job creators. The National Association of Manufacturers says the president’s tax hikes “will only fuel the headwinds manufacturers face, making them even less competitive and threatening economic growth and U.S. jobs.”
• Imposing a National Energy Tax. Last month, President Obama laid out his plan for a national energy tax that will have severe consequences for American power producers and the energy-intensive sectors, like manufacturing, that depend on them. According to a study released by the National Association of Manufacturers, the cumulative impact of several proposed Obama administration regulations “could cost, by conservative estimates, roughly $100 billion annually and more than 2 million jobs,” and, in a worst case scenario, “more than 9 million jobs.” The president’s war on coal has already put thousands of Americans out of work, and puts more than 800,000 more jobs at risk.
• Putting Offshore Energy Off Limits. The Obama administration has put 85 percent of America’s most resource-rich areas off limits to energy production and development, costing Americans as many as 1.2 million jobs.
• Doubling Down on Failed ‘Stimulus’ Spending. President Obama renewed his call for more ‘stimulus’ spending last week, despite the failure of his first trillion-dollar ‘stimulus’ to bring the unemployment rate down to five percent, as promised. Nearly 200 economists agree “the large structural deficit due to excessive government spending is hurting the economy,” and addressing out-of-control spending is one of the keys to helping the economy grow and create jobs.
• Implementing the ObamaCare Train Wreck. Labor unions have “grown frustrated and angry” about the president’s health care law, warning that it will “destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.” According to one recent survey, 82 percent of American manufacturers cite “increased anxieties related to” the implementation of ObamaCare as one of their top concerns.
• Rolling Out Red Tape on Natural Gas Production. “A 2011 PricewaterhouseCoopers study estimates that high rates of shale gas recovery could result in a million new manufacturing jobs by 2025,” The New York Times reports, with the &#8220otential to spark a manufacturing renaissance in the U.S.” But, the Obama administration could put a stop to that with “burdensome, restrictive, unnecessary” regulations on hydraulic fracturing that would impose a one-size-fits-all policy on states that have been safely and effectively managing this type of energy production for years.

sleeper;1789450 wrote:^

So you are unable to think for yourself and instead have to copy talking points from Paul Ryan, a member of the establishment that wants a brokered convention to remove Trump as their nominee?

Makes sense.

sleeper;1789452 wrote:Regardless of the eventual outcome of either a President Trump or another President Clinton, anyone else looking forward to the general election debates?

Trump is going to "win" every debate but playing the same game he used against the Republicans; drag everyone down to his clown level and out clown them. Should be fun to watch.

sleeper;1789450 wrote:^

So you are unable to think for yourself and instead have to copy talking points from Paul Ryan, a member of the establishment that wants a brokered convention to remove Trump as their nominee?

Makes sense.