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Mar 22, 2016 10:46 AM
SportsAndLady;1788414 wrote:Not to sound insensitive but Belgium let's in all these Syrian refugees, what the hell did you expect to happen? This was unfortunately inevitable.
So racist.
Mar 22, 2016 10:46am
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Mar 22, 2016 11:18 AM
SportsAndLady;1788414 wrote:Not to sound insensitive but Belgium let's in all these Syrian refugees, what the hell did you expect to happen? This was unfortunately inevitable.
And the terrorists go after just about anyone, anywhere they can do damage. So maybe it's time to stop whining about "we're creating more terrorists!!!!" in defense of non-intervention and just do what is necessary to combat the threat (and, no, I'm not advocating Trump's "Al Capone plan").
Mar 22, 2016 11:18am
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Mar 22, 2016 11:26 AM
gut;1788457 wrote:And the terrorists go after just about anyone, anywhere they can do damage. So maybe it's time to stop whining about "we're creating more terrorists!!!!" in defense of non-intervention and just do what is necessary to combat the threat (and, no, I'm not advocating Trump's "Al Capone plan").
Continued air strikes is the best plan of action in my opinion. Keep taking out anything that ISIS needs to function and the threat will slowly run out of both people and resources.
Mar 22, 2016 11:26am
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Mar 22, 2016 11:31 AM
How long until we lay waste to Rakka?
Mar 22, 2016 11:31am
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Mar 22, 2016 1:43 PM
SportsAndLady;1788414 wrote:Not to sound insensitive but Belgium let's in all these Syrian refugees, what the hell did you expect to happen? This was unfortunately inevitable.
This should probably provide comfort for you then...(sarcasm)

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2015/11/us-admits-680k-immigrants-from-muslim-countries-over-5-years
Mar 22, 2016 1:43pm
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Mar 22, 2016 5:33 PM
gut;1788457 wrote:And the terrorists go after just about anyone, anywhere they can do damage. So maybe it's time to stop whining about "we're creating more terrorists!!!!" in defense of non-intervention and just do what is necessary to combat the threat (and, no, I'm not advocating Trump's "Al Capone plan").
You will never stop these things from happening. People have found reasons for murdering others since the dawn of mankind.

Can you try to lessen them and prevent a few from happening? Yes. What's one way to do so, maybe stop invading countries, overthrowing governments, bombing and killing civilians. This goes back to at least 1953 when we decided to overthrow the Iranian government.





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Mar 22, 2016 5:33pm
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Mar 23, 2016 7:53 AM
Yes. What's one way to do so, maybe stop invading countries, overthrowing governments, bombing and killing civilians. This goes back to at least 1953 when we decided to overthrow the Iranian government.
Please don't buy this crap....just don't. When did Belgium invade someone. All those attacks in Africa...it's because of our massive military presence right? The world is a dangerous place that is governed by power and force, and the credible threat of wielding it. Since we are living in modern times and live in an increasing mobile and global world, we can no longer hide behind an ocean or a big land mass and ignore events that happen across the globe...at least not for very long. Most certainly, a solid foreign policy can help.... most certainly avoiding tactical strategic mistakes is a good thing....but that's not grounded in human reality. One thing is for sure, withdrawal/weakness is the most dangerous mistake of all.
Mar 23, 2016 7:53am
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Mar 23, 2016 7:53 AM
Wolves of Babylon;1788527 wrote:You will never stop these things from happening. People have found reasons for murdering others since the dawn of mankind.

Can you try to lessen them and prevent a few from happening? Yes. What's one way to do so, maybe stop invading countries, overthrowing governments, bombing and killing civilians. This goes back to at least 1953 when we decided to overthrow the Iranian government.





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gosh a ruddies thank you providing a defense for terrorists to slaughter Americans. It is the kind of excuse provided by appeasers from Versailles Treaty justifying the Nazis, our bombing campaign justifying the mass murder by the Khmer Rouge, and supposed bullying justifying the Columbine killers. Some folks always provide excuses for mass murderers.
Mar 23, 2016 7:53am
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Mar 23, 2016 11:00 AM
isadore;1788539 wrote:gosh a ruddies thank you providing a defense for terrorists to slaughter Americans. It is the kind of excuse provided by appeasers from Versailles Treaty justifying the Nazis, our bombing campaign justifying the mass murder by the Khmer Rouge, and supposed bullying justifying the Columbine killers. Some folks always provide excuses for mass murderers.
Gosh a ruddies, please stop calling brown people terrorists. It's offensive.
Mar 23, 2016 11:00am
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Mar 23, 2016 11:06 AM
isadore;1788539 wrote:gosh a ruddies thank you providing a defense for terrorists to slaughter Americans. It is the kind of excuse provided by appeasers from Versailles Treaty justifying the Nazis, our bombing campaign justifying the mass murder by the Khmer Rouge, and supposed bullying justifying the Columbine killers. Some folks always provide excuses for mass murderers.
Well, at least there's one group which Isadore apparently won't find excuses for!
Mar 23, 2016 11:06am
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Mar 24, 2016 9:57 AM
HitsRus;1788538 wrote:Please don't buy this crap....just don't. When did Belgium invade someone. All those attacks in Africa...it's because of our massive military presence right? The world is a dangerous place that is governed by power and force, and the credible threat of wielding it. Since we are living in modern times and live in an increasing mobile and global world, we can no longer hide behind an ocean or a big land mass and ignore events that happen across the globe...at least not for very long. Most certainly, a solid foreign policy can help.... most certainly avoiding tactical strategic mistakes is a good thing....but that's not grounded in human reality. One thing is for sure, withdrawal/weakness is the most dangerous mistake of all.


Spot on.
Mar 24, 2016 9:57am
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Mar 24, 2016 1:28 PM
HitsRus;1788538 wrote:Please don't buy this crap....just don't. When did Belgium invade someone. All those attacks in Africa...it's because of our massive military presence right? The world is a dangerous place that is governed by power and force, and the credible threat of wielding it. Since we are living in modern times and live in an increasing mobile and global world, we can no longer hide behind an ocean or a big land mass and ignore events that happen across the globe...at least not for very long. Most certainly, a solid foreign policy can help.... most certainly avoiding tactical strategic mistakes is a good thing....but that's not grounded in human reality. One thing is for sure, withdrawal/weakness is the most dangerous mistake of all.
Name a time the world hasn't been a dangerous place? I was born in 1980. In my life there has always been a threat to our safety.

The truth is no matter how much power and force we use, we will NEVER stop crazy people from wanting to kill others. I understand you want to spend trillions of dollars, lose thousands of soldiers lives to fight Terrorism. I feel there is a better approach.

I am not an isolationist. I believe the government sole purpose is to protect its citizens. I believe our foreign policy decisions make us less safe.

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Mar 24, 2016 1:28pm
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Mar 26, 2016 5:54 AM
I feel that reacting AFTER something happens isn't getting us nowhere, either. So, do we just continue to react or do we make plans to prevent? I don't know. We try to balance the two sometimes, but when you do that, then you're not strong at either. But there will always be conflicting ideas about it.
Mar 26, 2016 5:54am
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Mar 26, 2016 7:08 PM
CenterBHSFan;1789013 wrote:I feel that reacting AFTER something happens isn't getting us nowhere, either. So, do we just continue to react or do we make plans to prevent? I don't know. We try to balance the two sometimes, but when you do that, then you're not strong at either. But there will always be conflicting ideas about it.
What are you suggesting we do to prevent these attacks that we aren't doing now?
Mar 26, 2016 7:08pm
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Mar 26, 2016 11:08 PM
FatHobbit;1789034 wrote:What are you suggesting we do to prevent these attacks that we aren't doing now?
I wasn't suggesting anything of what could be done. I personally wouldn't know what in particular to do, since I'm not in the intelligence business, or involved with anything in the military.
If I had ideas, I would have stated them.

But if you're satisfied with only reacting, you can just say that. Or perhaps you have something in mind as an alternative?
Mar 26, 2016 11:08pm
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Mar 26, 2016 11:48 PM
CenterBHSFan;1789114 wrote:I wasn't suggesting anything of what could be done. I personally wouldn't know what in particular to do, since I'm not in the intelligence business, or involved with anything in the military.
If I had ideas, I would have stated them.

But if you're satisfied with only reacting, you can just say that. Or perhaps you have something in mind as an alternative?
I think my question sounded more aggressive than I meant for it to sound. I was genuinely curious what you were suggesting. I am open to suggestions and I think you are normally pretty level headed so I wondered what you meant.

I do oppose any sort of actions against Muslims who haven't done anything. I'm sure there are plenty of things now the intelligence community is doing that we don't know about.

I think Obama goes out of his way to kiss ass for the Muslim community but I appreciate that he doesn't jump on the "death to all Muslims" band wagon. I thought Bush did a better job of it. He welcomed our Muslim allies without alienating anyone who wasn't Muslim at the same time.
Mar 26, 2016 11:48pm
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Mar 27, 2016 1:17 PM
i am paying $14,000 more under Bernie and $6000 less under Trump.
Mar 27, 2016 1:17pm
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Mar 28, 2016 8:47 AM
Spock;1789145 wrote:i am paying $14,000 more under Bernie and $6000 less under Trump.
One of many reasons why I will support Trump
Mar 28, 2016 8:47am
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Mar 28, 2016 9:37 AM
What are your thoughts on Trump's recent meeting with the Washington Post?
Mar 28, 2016 9:37am
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Mar 28, 2016 9:53 AM
rrfan;1789249 wrote:One of many reasons why I will support Trump
Have you graduated college?
Mar 28, 2016 9:53am
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Mar 28, 2016 11:34 AM
Automatik;1789255 wrote:What are your thoughts on Trump's recent meeting with the Washington Post?
Here is a transcript of the Post one:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/21/a-transcript-of-donald-trumps-meeting-with-the-washington-post-editorial-board/

His one with the NYT, in my view, was even worse.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/us/politics/donald-trump-transcript.html

He has no concept of how foreign policy works. His answers are all shallow and either wrong or incoherent. A lot of them also run contrary to U.S. policy since 1945.
Guy may be a good business man, but he is an idiot on anything regarding foreign relations.

Essentially, if you vote for Trump you are voting for a radical U.S. foreign policy that would be extremely different and would reverse everything we have done since 1945.
Mar 28, 2016 11:34am
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Mar 28, 2016 11:37 AM
I particularly liked the bit about him "loosening up" libel laws. :laugh:
Mar 28, 2016 11:37am
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Mar 28, 2016 12:16 PM
sleeper;1789257 wrote:Have you graduated college?
Funny sleeper...because I must be uneducated because I have a different view than you.

Yes I graduated college and yes I have a very good paying job and own my own house and all of the other things you will come to next.

I don't think Trump knows everything but I think what makes him a better candidate than the rest is that I have more confidence in him to surround himself with people that will make a difference. The best leaders I have know in my life may not know everything but put people in positions to make his or her company successful.

Lets also be clear there is no way in hell I would vote for Bernie and or Hillary. Kasich has no chance to win and I don't like Ted Cruz. I am not saying he is the best candidate ever or anything but look at what is out there. It is a mess.
Mar 28, 2016 12:16pm
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Mar 28, 2016 12:40 PM
Thoughts on the posted transcripts?
Mar 28, 2016 12:40pm