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Dad4Sports

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Feb 26, 2015 11:15 AM
Now this...

"OHSAA sent an email to all sectional managers saying that seed mtg's didn't have to be during weigh-ins. They could be held as soon as seeding criteria on baumspage has been released."
Feb 26, 2015 11:15am
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Dad4Sports

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Feb 26, 2015 11:16 AM
D1 Mansfield seed meeting is tonight...
Feb 26, 2015 11:16am
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cruiser_96

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Feb 26, 2015 11:39 AM
Dad4Sports;1708472 wrote:D1 Mansfield seed meeting is tonight...
As long as the seeding criteria is released on Baumspage, they're good.

Seems a lot like a Thursday night/Friday night seeding meeting.

OHSAA...what a joke.
Feb 26, 2015 11:39am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 26, 2015 11:51 AM
snugglyhippo;1708175 wrote:To hell with all doing it the RIGHT way, let's just make sure we all do it the SAME way.

This is the most asinine piece of twisted logic I could ever possibly conceive. Try and apply this to other things in your life or society, and watch as the comic gold is mined before your eyes...
You're assuming that many people think the seeding criteria being used in much of the State isn't the right way.

It's a sectional tournament. Seeding isn't nearly as important as people want to make it out to be.
Feb 26, 2015 11:51am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 26, 2015 11:52 AM
Why not have the "seeding meeting" right after weigh-ins and skin check? Seems like the most logical and efficient way.
Feb 26, 2015 11:52am
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Dad4Sports

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Feb 26, 2015 11:56 AM
Con_Alma;1708488 wrote:You're assuming that many people think the seeding criteria being used in much of the State isn't the right way.
That's because they do!!!
Feb 26, 2015 11:56am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 26, 2015 11:57 AM
Dad4Sports;1708492 wrote:That's because they do!!!

All Coaches and the OHSAA think the seeding criteria put in place isn't the right way????

I disagree.
Feb 26, 2015 11:57am
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Dad4Sports

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Feb 26, 2015 12:30 PM
Con_Alma;1708493 wrote:All Coaches and the OHSAA think the seeding criteria put in place isn't the right way????
That's a heck of a long way from, "many people think the seeding criteria being used in much of the State isn't the right way."

Many people DO think it isn't the right way!
Feb 26, 2015 12:30pm
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Con_Alma

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Feb 26, 2015 12:32 PM
Con_Alma;1708489 wrote:Why not have the "seeding meeting" right after weigh-ins and skin check? Seems like the most logical and efficient way.

Found the answer to my question. :RpS_glare:

10.7 Seeding Meeting
A seeding meeting will be held after wrestlers have been seeded by criteria at the beginning of weigh-ins.
A coach may object to a seed based on criteria and the coaches will then vote for the seeds in that weight class.
Feb 26, 2015 12:32pm
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Con_Alma

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Feb 26, 2015 12:35 PM
Dad4Sports;1708502 wrote:That's a heck of a long way from, "many people think the seeding criteria being used in much of the State isn't the right way."

Many people DO think it isn't the right way!

I didn't get that from your first post I responded to. There's also "many" people that think it's the best way. When that scenario exists a governing body should be relied upon to decide. ....and here we are.
Feb 26, 2015 12:35pm
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Tony Mead

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Feb 26, 2015 12:36 PM
man all this hoopla, I doubt there is gonna be one issue in central Ohio Sectionals. Cant wait tell sunday then most likely this wont be the only topic on the boards!
Feb 26, 2015 12:36pm
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cruiser_96

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Feb 26, 2015 12:38 PM
Con_Alma: I think 10.7 is the issue. A few sectionals are not doing that way, and are, in fact, doing it the way the Central District has done it for years. Then, at the sectional selection meeting, we were informed that there has been a change. ...which was voted on just ten days prior.

When questions were asked concerning the process no answer could be provided.

It just seems odd the rush to change things, along with the fact that some are refusing to change.
Feb 26, 2015 12:38pm
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snugglyhippo

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Feb 26, 2015 12:40 PM
In my and only my opinion, any seeding criteria that values a forfeit the same as beating a state champ is deeply flawed. I could care less who does what how. This is wrong and it cheapens the regular season and actual accomplishments the wrestlers have done on the mat.
Feb 26, 2015 12:40pm
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Dad4Sports

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Feb 26, 2015 12:40 PM
Con_Alma;1708504 wrote:When that scenario exists a governing body should be relied upon to decide. ....and here we are.
I certainly get that. However; it's pretty obvious that for at least this year the OHSAA's quest for uniformity hasn't exactly come to fruition...
Feb 26, 2015 12:40pm
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Dust_E_Roads

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Feb 26, 2015 12:41 PM
Tony Mead;1708505 wrote:man all this hoopla, I doubt there is gonna be one issue in central Ohio Sectionals. Cant wait tell sunday then most likely this wont be the only topic on the boards!
The obligatory stalling thread will 78 comments by Saturday at midnight.
Feb 26, 2015 12:41pm
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Feb 26, 2015 12:42 PM
Dust_E_Roads;1708511 wrote:The obligatory stalling thread will 78 comments by Saturday at midnight.
I'll take the over.
Feb 26, 2015 12:42pm
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Con_Alma

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Feb 26, 2015 12:57 PM
Dad4Sports;1708510 wrote:I certainly get that. However; it's pretty obvious that for at least this year the OHSAA's quest for uniformity hasn't exactly come to fruition...
That's a concern of mine personally and always has been but I don't know that others share the same feelings...including the OHSAA.
Feb 26, 2015 12:57pm
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Con_Alma

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Feb 26, 2015 1:00 PM
snugglyhippo;1708509 wrote:In my and only my opinion, any seeding criteria that values a forfeit the same as beating a state champ is deeply flawed. I could care less who does what how. This is wrong and it cheapens the regular season and actual accomplishments the wrestlers have done on the mat.

Although I don't disagree in general I would offer that if a kid has shown the ability to beat a State champ I wouldn't be too worried about a kid being seeded higher based on forfeits. Lol Heck, let him have the #1 seed. I don't he'll be in Columbus.
Feb 26, 2015 1:00pm
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Tony Mead

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Feb 26, 2015 1:21 PM
Dust_E_Roads;1708511 wrote:The obligatory stalling thread will 78 comments by Saturday at midnight.
LOL so true!
Feb 26, 2015 1:21pm
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snugglyhippo

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Feb 26, 2015 1:51 PM
"Although I don't disagree in general I would offer that if a kid has shown the ability to beat a State champ I wouldn't be too worried about a kid being seeded higher based on forfeits. Lol Heck, let him have the #1 seed. I don't he'll be in Columbus."


Not the point that the one kid will be in Columbus and the other won't, as yes, obviously one will and one will not. The point is that the ultimate goal of seeding (again, in my opinion), is to make sure the two best kids are split. Any format that does not accomplish this is not doing a good job of fulfilling the purpose of the seeding.
Feb 26, 2015 1:51pm
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Feb 26, 2015 9:43 PM
Dad4Sports;1708471 wrote:Now this...

"OHSAA sent an email to all sectional managers saying that seed mtg's didn't have to be during weigh-ins. They could be held as soon as seeding criteria on baumspage has been released."




Wow, this is becoming comical ..Seems like things are changing daily
Feb 26, 2015 9:43pm
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80baby

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Feb 26, 2015 10:08 PM
I noticed that LV is the only sectional in the CD that has posted their entry grid and seeding nominations. I just wish that a by name roster was posted so we will know which kid is wrestling from which school.
Feb 26, 2015 10:08pm
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Con_Alma

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Feb 27, 2015 7:33 AM
snugglyhippo;1708529 wrote:Not the point that the one kid will be in Columbus and the other won't, as yes, obviously one will and one will not. The point is that the ultimate goal of seeding (again, in my opinion), is to make sure the two best kids are split. Any format that does not accomplish this is not doing a good job of fulfilling the purpose of the seeding.
???

Your example of a kid with a forfeit influenced record and a State Champ influenced record didn't suggest anything about separating the two best kids but rather about how kids were seeded. My goodness you seem to be all over the place.

You and I disagree that seeding is about making the two best kids be separated or on opposite side of the brackets. It's about more than that or else we would only seed two kids. It's also not as important as the amount of energy and time that people put into it.

Good luck to your kids this weekend.
Feb 27, 2015 7:33am
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snugglyhippo

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Feb 27, 2015 8:37 AM
I thought the example was obvious. If my former forfeit kid was seeded first (just give him the first seed! as you suggested) and the next two were 2/3, they would be in the bottom, not separated. In this scenario, I feel the entire point of seeding has failed. We do disagree about two things and that is fine. The first goal (not the only goal) is to separate the two best kids. We also disagree that it is not as important as the time they put into it. It is my experience that the more time and energy that are put into anything, the more chance that thing (whatever it may be) has of being successful, correct, valuable and meaningful.
Feb 27, 2015 8:37am
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Dad4Sports

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Feb 27, 2015 8:43 AM
Con_Alma;1708689 wrote:???

It's also not as important as the amount of energy and time that people put into it.

Good luck to your kids this weekend.
Tell that to the wrestler, his coaches, and his family. This is the STATE tournament...if we can't spend the time necessary to get this one right, why bother?
Feb 27, 2015 8:43am