See post #17.Me?;1529750 wrote:Turnovers. I bet if you found someone to break it down and do some pretty insane research, turnovers would win going away.
So where are the stats for all of the other potential variables?Sonofanump;1529799 wrote:See post #17.
^ wut im thinkinthavoice;1529062 wrote:On offense, it is the play of the OL. Plain and simple. Always has been. Good OL play gets you time to pass, opens holes for the run and then the next thing you know the whole offensive playbook is wide open.
It is becoming a passing league and the run pretty much is being set up by the pass and spreading out teams.
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BR1986FB;1530024 wrote:Lawrence Vickers...can't win without old Larry Vickers....just ask COA.
ZOMG, are you stalking me? that's just creepy man! /crynasty (since we're bringing up old shit)like_that;1530046 wrote:FIFY
That wasn't directed at you. In fact, if you were a Vickers honk, I don't remember it. I was referring to a ton of the fanbase, in general. You'd swear he were God to some.Commander of Awesome;1530103 wrote:ZOMG, are you stalking me? that's just creepy man! /crynasty (since we're bringing up old shit)
I was referring to like_that's FIFY comment. I definitely liked Vickers though. Brought toughness and attitude to the offense.BR1986FB;1530113 wrote:That wasn't directed at you. In fact, if you were a Vickers honk, I don't remember it. I was referring to a ton of the fanbase, in general. You'd swear he were God to some.
I know. Just didn't want you to think I was singling you out after he called you out on it.Commander of Awesome;1530122 wrote:I was referring to like_that's FIFY comment.
In high school it would be talent level and team size mainly . Coaching staff is the most important factor when teams are evenly matched talent wise. College and pro level it's line play. If you have a great O line it will make an average QB a pro bowler in the NFL . Alabama and the SEC teams have superior lines and that is why they are so powerful.Ironman92;1528748 wrote:Besides points scored or any other smart ass reply.
Running game
Turnover differential
O-line play
D-Line play
athletic skill positions
QB play
Offensive play calling
Field position
Other?
I think in today's game it's pressure on the QB as most all teams pass a ton and few QB's do much of anything when the defense is running him around, getting hits and sacks on him.
The O-line can keep the QB safe AND be great at run blocking....so that could outweigh I guess
Turnover differential seems huge but often comes from the defensive pressure on the QB.
Almost every QB looks pretty good when they have time.
Completely false. Browns had one of the best past blocking units in the NFL last year (they actually look pretty damn good without weeden playing now), and weeden sure as hell wasn't pro bowl caliber.steubbigred;1530180 wrote:In high school it would be talent level and team size mainly . Coaching staff is the most important factor when teams are evenly matched talent wise. College and pro level it's line play. If you have a great O line it will make an average QB a pro bowler in the NFL . Alabama and the SEC teams have superior lines and that is why they are so powerful.
But was he an average QB?like_that;1530184 wrote:Completely false. Browns had one of the best past blocking units in the NFL last year (they actually look pretty damn good without weeden playing now), and weeden sure as hell wasn't pro bowl caliber.
) are few & far between.
I believe that mostly because the game has shifted from running first to throwing it all over the field.BR1986FB;1530319 wrote:I'm an O-Line pimp but I don't think that's the end all, be all. Aaron Rodgers has proven that time & time again. So has Roethlisberger, to a certain extent. It all starts & ends with the franchise QB. The days of winning Super Bowls with Trent Dilfer (or Alex Smith
A decisive QB with a quick release can cover O-Line "blemishes." Peyton Manning never had stellar O-Lines in Indy but his release was so quick it didn't matter most of the time.
Which is what I'm implying. If you look at recent previous Super Bowl winning QB's, they were either elite or caught lightning in a bottle (Joe Crappo from Baltimore).thavoice;1530523 wrote:I believe that mostly because the game has shifted from running first to throwing it all over the field.
in 2008 and half of 2009 turnover battle:
-4 or less turnover margin: 0% -3 turnover margin: 17.44%
-2 turnover margin: 21.95%
-1 turnover margin: 28.36%
Even Turnover margin: 50% (of course)
+1 turnover margin: 71.64%
+2 turnover margin: 78.05%
+3 turnover margin: 82.56%
+4 or more turnover margin: 100%
As we are both foes of the Ravens we have to be happy that Flacco had a great run in the playoffs to "earn" that 100+ million deal! That will handcuff them like BR's in PIttsburgh for years to come.BR1986FB;1530535 wrote:Which is what I'm implying. If you look at recent previous Super Bowl winning QB's, they were either elite or caught lightning in a bottle (Joe Crappo from Baltimore).
I think we'll be pretty hard pressed to see any "run the ball/play lights out defense/have a game manager QB" type teams (this years' Chiefs) win it any time soon.
They couldn't of been too bad at run blocking considering Edge was one of the best backs in the league for a while.Laley23;1530512 wrote:Oline is just not it. Peyton in INDY had horrible lines. They could run for shit, and passing he made them look good. He goes, and Painter is sacked more than anyone. Luck comes in and while not Peyton good off the bat stops taking sacks with his ability presnap etc.
and I have had this discussion wtih laly before about the colts OL during much of PM's career. I watched them a great deal and PM rarely would get even any pressure let alone sack. From 2003-2011 the most he was sacked was 21 times, and most of those years it was in the mid teens which is like once a game.Rotinaj;1530540 wrote:They couldn't of been too bad at run blocking considering Edge was one of the best backs in the league for a while.
Early years they were great. Borderline HOFers in Tarik Glenn and Jeff Saturday as well as good guard play from Ryan Diem. It went to shit when the Guards left cause no money was around to pay the lineman and Glenn got old...then retired.Rotinaj;1530540 wrote:They couldn't of been too bad at run blocking considering Edge was one of the best backs in the league for a while.
It's all about the trenches. That's why I've always advocated building teams from the inside out.Ironman92;1575609 wrote:Still going with pressure on the QB....it makes the best look terribke
