The face of 5 million new Democrat voters.

gut;1639858 wrote:Actually, the part about asset prices and capital appreciation was still relevant.

Go ahead and pretend you didn't use a word you misunderstood, to make a point that was wrong, that even if correct had little relevance to the fact you were attempting to spin. LMAO, I guess I'll call that a Boatshoes quadfecta.

Sigh. You're projecting again. I'm sorry that "rentier" is out of your vocabulary. Sorry to break it to you but nobody says "renter class"...leftists have been saying rentier class since the French Revolution. And the point remains...those who are harmed the most by low rates are the rentiers. This is not disputable really. The elites would much rather prefer their risk free rents than taking on risk. The top 1% has lost like 10% of their 2007 income due to low interest rates according to Piketty. Low interest rates are worse for the super rich than taxes. Hope this helps.

BTW...stop pretending like you care about old people p00rz. If you actually wanted to help seniors without providing windfall gains to the super rich the answer is to increase social security pay outs where most seniors get their income from.

But 0H N0ez the United Statez is g0nna rUn out of M0niez even though that is ImPossible!!

jmog;1639591 wrote:You just can't make this stuff up anymore.

Michelle complains about money influencing politics and then asks for a "big fat check".

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/27/first-lady-complains-about-money-influence-on-politics-then-asks-for-fat-check/

At least this one was actually a true news story. You're getting better!

BoatShoes;1639862 wrote:At least this one was actually a true news story. You're getting better!

Some people just don't know when they were being trolled.

The All-Out Assault on American business, capitalism, and jobs continues unabated by this radical administration:


The OMA and the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) yesterday released a study that finds the proposed U.S. EPA ozone regulations could be the most expensive regulations ever administered against American manufacturers.
In 2008, the U.S. EPA lowered the National Ambient Air Quality Standard for ground level ozone to 75 parts per billion (ppb). Now, the agency is proposing to lower the standard to 60 ppb.
The study finds that imposition of a 60 ppb ozone standard could reduce U.S. Gross Domestic Product by as much as $3.4 trillion through 2040 and dramatically increase energy costs across all sectors.
The potential effect on Ohio: $204 billion reduction in Gross State Product through 2040; 218,415 lost jobs (or job equivalents) in Ohio each year through 2040; $156 billion increase in compliance costs for Ohio businesses through 2040; $2,730 in additional costs paid by Ohio households annually in the form of higher prices for goods and services; Up to 32 percent increase in household natural gas prices and up to 15 percent increase in household electricity prices (nationwide), and; Estimated shutdown of 81 percent of Ohio’s coal-fired generating capacity.
NAM is mounting a national campaign to increase understanding of the potential impact of the new federal ozone requirements. As part of that campaign, NAM has produced a video discussing the creation, transport and regulation of ground-level ozone. Pass it on to help get the message out. 7/31/2014

QuakerOats;1640599 wrote:The All-Out Assault on American business, capitalism, and jobs continues unabated by this radical administration:


The OMA and the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) yesterday released a study that finds the proposed U.S. EPA ozone regulations could be the most expensive regulations ever administered against American manufacturers.
In 2008, the U.S. EPA lowered the National Ambient Air Quality Standard for ground level ozone to 75 parts per billion (ppb). Now, the agency is proposing to lower the standard to 60 ppb.
The study finds that imposition of a 60 ppb ozone standard could reduce U.S. Gross Domestic Product by as much as $3.4 trillion through 2040 and dramatically increase energy costs across all sectors.
The potential effect on Ohio: $204 billion reduction in Gross State Product through 2040; 218,415 lost jobs (or job equivalents) in Ohio each year through 2040; $156 billion increase in compliance costs for Ohio businesses through 2040; $2,730 in additional costs paid by Ohio households annually in the form of higher prices for goods and services; Up to 32 percent increase in household natural gas prices and up to 15 percent increase in household electricity prices (nationwide), and; Estimated shutdown of 81 percent of Ohio’s coal-fired generating capacity.
NAM is mounting a national campaign to increase understanding of the potential impact of the new federal ozone requirements. As part of that campaign, NAM has produced a video discussing the creation, transport and regulation of ground-level ozone. Pass it on to help get the message out. 7/31/2014

Anybody involved in this Should be fired! I don't care if you are a Democrate or a Republican This BS has to STOP!

QuakerOats;1640599 wrote:The All-Out Assault on American business, capitalism, and jobs continues unabated by this radical administration:


The OMA and the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) yesterday released a study that finds the proposed U.S. EPA ozone regulations could be the most expensive regulations ever administered against American manufacturers.
In 2008, the U.S. EPA lowered the National Ambient Air Quality Standard for ground level ozone to 75 parts per billion (ppb). Now, the agency is proposing to lower the standard to 60 ppb.
The study finds that imposition of a 60 ppb ozone standard could reduce U.S. Gross Domestic Product by as much as $3.4 trillion through 2040 and dramatically increase energy costs across all sectors.
The potential effect on Ohio: $204 billion reduction in Gross State Product through 2040; 218,415 lost jobs (or job equivalents) in Ohio each year through 2040; $156 billion increase in compliance costs for Ohio businesses through 2040; $2,730 in additional costs paid by Ohio households annually in the form of higher prices for goods and services; Up to 32 percent increase in household natural gas prices and up to 15 percent increase in household electricity prices (nationwide), and; Estimated shutdown of 81 percent of Ohio’s coal-fired generating capacity.
NAM is mounting a national campaign to increase understanding of the potential impact of the new federal ozone requirements. As part of that campaign, NAM has produced a video discussing the creation, transport and regulation of ground-level ozone. Pass it on to help get the message out. 7/31/2014

I haven't fully read through this new regulation to see if it makes sense, but ground level ozone (caused by NOx emissions from industrial furnaces/boilers and cars, etc) is a serious health and environmental hazard. Ground level ozone and NOx emissions causes smog, acid rain, etc.

This regulation may not be bad, it is the "we have to capture/sequester carbon dioxide" regulations that do nothing immediately for the environment and can crush industry.

The large struggle in high level smog/ozone areas is a fight between NOx and carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions. The local AQMDs (Air Quality Management Districts) are fighting between lower NOx OR lower CO2. If they want to help the local environment they have stricter NOx regulations and with most current NOx abatement technologies this lowers the overall efficiency of the process. The lower efficiency causes more natural gas to be burned to complete the process which causes higher CO2 emissions. Now there are areas in California that are thinking (due to the global warming alarmists) about actually RAISING the NOx emission regulations so that industrial processes can be more efficient and therefore burn less gas and therefore create less CO2.

So, the more they do this the more smog and ground level ozone they will have in their local counties/cities. If they want SoCal to be like Beijing, then this is probably a good idea, if they want clean air then it is a dumb idea.

Long story short Quaker, the thing you are complaining about is actually probably a good regulation to adhere to. NOx and CO (carbon monoxide) are real pollutants that we want to try to minimize in cars and industrial applications (in cars it is the catalytic converter that does this) as they cause real environmental or personal health issues.

CO2 causes zero health problems to humans, is "food" for plants (well, their substitute for oxygen), and MAY cause AGW.

jmog;1640609 wrote:I haven't fully read through this new regulation to see if it makes sense, but ground level ozone (caused by NOx emissions from industrial furnaces/boilers and cars, etc) is a serious health and environmental hazard. Ground level ozone and NOx emissions causes smog, acid rain, etc.

This regulation may not be bad, it is the "we have to capture/sequester carbon dioxide" regulations that do nothing immediately for the environment and can crush industry.

The large struggle in high level smog/ozone areas is a fight between NOx and carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions. The local AQMDs (Air Quality Management Districts) are fighting between lower NOx OR lower CO2. If they want to help the local environment they have stricter NOx regulations and with most current NOx abatement technologies this lowers the overall efficiency of the process. The lower efficiency causes more natural gas to be burned to complete the process which causes higher CO2 emissions. Now there are areas in California that are thinking (due to the global warming alarmists) about actually RAISING the NOx emission regulations so that industrial processes can be more efficient and therefore burn less gas and therefore create less CO2.

So, the more they do this the more smog and ground level ozone they will have in their local counties/cities. If they want SoCal to be like Beijing, then this is probably a good idea, if they want clean air then it is a dumb idea.

Long story short Quaker, the thing you are complaining about is actually probably a good regulation to adhere to. NOx and CO (carbon monoxide) are real pollutants that we want to try to minimize in cars and industrial applications (in cars it is the catalytic converter that does this) as they cause real environmental or personal health issues.

CO2 causes zero health problems to humans, is "food" for plants (well, their substitute for oxygen), and MAY cause AGW.

Look how far this stuff has been decreased over time...it has be decreased in huge amounts. Now we will cripple the USA and allow all others to do as they please. We can't use our own coal in plants that are very efficient but we send it over seas to be burnt in the most in efficient way possible. It is crazy!

"It is crazy" --- it is if you think all this is about the environment; but it is not when you realize it is all about marxism.

QuakerOats;1640618 wrote:"It is crazy" --- it is if you think all this is about the environment; but it is not when you realize it is all about marxism.

Well it is at least an effort by global socialists to control energy production through confiscatory tax policies allowing them to redistribute the wealth and cement their political power base.

Holy fuck this guy is insane.

[video=youtube;YfRtbIQ1kTw][/video]

jmog;1639908 wrote:Some people just don't know when they were being trolled.

He doesn't know econ, either. Boat is an accidental clown. We keep telling him, and he keeps coming back for more.

BoatShoes;1639861 wrote:And the point remains...those who are harmed the most by low rates are the rentiers. This is not disputable really.

LMFAO. You BARELY understand the word. It isn't that the word isn't in my vocab, it's that it's not regularly used by people who know what they are talking about. If you were one of those people, you'd know what I'm talking about. You clearly are not, as you've demonstrated time and again...goes back to your language betraying the knowledge you pretend to have.

Again, you don't understand the arguments you're making here. Asset prices. It's why you're wrong. Go take a class (since you clearly don't learn from what you read).

BoatShoes;1639861 wrote: BTW...stop pretending like you care about old people p00rz.

I'm not pretending. I have parents. Stop acting like you know what you're talking about. I don't think even the liberals here pay attention to your uninformed keynesian diatribes.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/john-bolton-worlds-descending-chaos-under-obama



BINGO

MILBANK: President vacations while the world burns...

EXPERT: Refuses to make decisions...

FLASHBACK: Obama Promised No Vacations For Himself As President... -- interesting clip, reveals phony


Fed Official Warns 'Disappointing' Growth Could Foretell Future...

Sluggish jobs market points to structural problems...

Wages Down 23% Since 2008...





Change we can believe in ...

When you lose the WaPo:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-obama-vacations-as-the-world-burns/2014/08/11/58755e5e-21a5-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

I love the term "tone deafness."

How many times in the past few years have Believer, Quaker, Sleeper, JMog, gut, and other normal people have used that to describe him?

It's as if he doesn't care. At all.

Sonofanump;1640852 wrote:Holy fuck this guy is insane.

[video=youtube;YfRtbIQ1kTw][/video]

I am not much of a fan of Obama's ideology/policies, but I can't believe he said these things in the context they are given here. No way.

Sonofanump;1640852 wrote:Holy fuck this guy is insane.

[video=youtube;YfRtbIQ1kTw][/video]

Do a little research. I can't stand most of Obama's policies, but that was a terrible cut/paste job of this actual speech...

"
Leaders and dignitaries of the European Union; representatives of our NATO Alliance; distinguished guests: We meet here at a moment of testing for Europe and the United States, and for the international order that we have worked for generations to build.
Throughout human history, societies have grappled with fundamental questions of how to organize themselves, the proper relationship between the individual and the state, the best means to resolve inevitable conflicts between states. And it was here in Europe, through centuries of struggle -- through war and Enlightenment, repression and revolution -- that a particular set of ideals began to emerge: The belief that through conscience and free will, each of us has the right to live as we choose. The belief that power is derived from the consent of the governed, and that laws and institutions should be established to protect that understanding. And those ideas eventually inspired a band of colonialists across an ocean, and they wrote them into the founding documents that still guide America today, including the simple truth that all men -- and women -- are created equal.
But those ideals have also been tested -- here in Europe and around the world. Those ideals have often been threatened by an older, more traditional view of power. This alternative vision argues that ordinary men and women are too small-minded to govern their own affairs, that order and progress can only come when individuals surrender their rights to an all-powerful sovereign. Often, this alternative vision roots itself in the notion that by virtue of race or faith or ethnicity, some are inherently superior to others, and that individual identity must be defined by "us" versus "them," or that national greatness must flow not by what a people stand for, but by what they are against."

They spliced 2 phrases, separated by at least a whole paragraph, and removed all contextual statements around them.

Manhattan Buckeye;1643445 wrote:When you lose the WaPo:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-obama-vacations-as-the-world-burns/2014/08/11/58755e5e-21a5-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

I love the term "tone deafness."

How many times in the past few years have Believer, Quaker, Sleeper, JMog, gut, and other normal people have used that to describe him?

It's as if he doesn't care. At all.

How can you say that? He's promised to fundamentally transform America and I'd say he's cared enough to do just that. : thumbup:

ccrunner609;1643616 wrote:Let see: Obama weighs in on the st Louis shooting= within 24 hours and has AG all over it

But it takes him almost a month to go after a terrorist army invading Iraq and over a year to try to catch the terrorists that kill 4 americans in Lybia.


that's about par for the course

And he's still scratching his head on what to do with illegal immigration.

He know what he wants to do, buy the Hispanic vote with more government bennies. Few Americans think anyone should just ignore our laws and become legal....Dem or GOP. No other country does this. Immigrating is difficult and expensive in every other first world nation because they control their borders and give a hoot about their culture. Even our current H1-b program is up for debate given the abuse by Silicon Valley and no talent ass-clowns like Gates and Zuckerberg advocating bringing in Southern Asians to work for a fraction of a salary that American engineers need to survive - and they bring in their entire family and do not join in the community or be part of the greater "melting pot." They certainly aren't buying houses, but by God they send their kids to the public schools and who can blame them? Putting 8 people in an 1100 square foot condo and actually having a car and access to healthcare and education is paradise to them. But it deteriorates the American quality of life.

This isn't going to end well. This new wave of immigration (legal and illegal) is not assimilating.

ccrunner609;1643616 wrote:Let see: Obama weighs in on the st Louis shooting= within 24 hours and has AG all over it

But it takes him almost a month to go after a terrorist army invading Iraq and over a year to try to catch the terrorists that kill 4 americans in Lybia.


that's about par for the course

American transformation:

Bad for law enforcement to target criminals and looters

Ok for IRS to target law-abiding Americans -- AG could care less about that.


Change we can believe in ...

believer;1643649 wrote:And he's still scratching his head on what to do with illegal immigration.

No, he isn't.........

He does NGAF. Not one.

Manhattan Buckeye;1643706 wrote:no talent ass-clowns like Gates and Zuckerberg