Let me count the ways I've benefited from Obamanomics....

1. Lived through a plant closing in Pennsylvania where 335 people lost their jobs. I now live in Tennessee.
2. Last year was the first time in 10 years we received no bonus payout. Guess I need to work harder, eh, rmolin73? :thumbup:
3. Just learned that due to Obamacare, my monthly family health premium jumped 10%.
4. Management has already dropped hints that we will receive no annual COLA increase in 2013 due to sagging sales in a CRAP economy. Recovery my ass.
5. Our human resource department just warned everyone of the pending tax increases and to expect anywhere from an additional $50 to $100 per pay period to be deducted from take home pay this January.

I'm sure there's more to come. Inflation? High fuel bills? Who knows what else?

Yeah, I know QQ....

believer;1321245 wrote:Let me count the ways I've benefited from Obamanomics....

1. Lived through a plant closing in Pennsylvania where 335 people lost their jobs. I now live in Tennessee.
2. Last year was the first time in 10 years we received no bonus payout. Guess I need to work harder, eh, rmolin73? :thumbup:
3. Just learned that due to Obamacare, my monthly family health premium jumped 10%.
4. Management has already dropped hints that we will receive no annual COLA increase in 2013 due to sagging sales in a CRAP economy. Recovery my ass.
5. Our human resource department just warned everyone of the pending tax increases and to expect anywhere from an additional $50 to $100 per pay period to be deducted from take home pay this January.

I'm sure there's more to come. Inflation? High fuel bills? Who knows what else?

Yeah, I know QQ....

Sorry about your luck. You seem to pick loser business to work for. Survival of the fittest, that's been the American way for over 200 years, but keep blaming who you want if it makes you feel better.

I have gained by:

1) Obama's administration prevented a second great depression and possibly a world wide depression the likes we never have seen.
2) Obama's decision to increase of the Federal share of FMAP to the state of Ohio prevented cuts that would have put me out of business in 2009-2010.
3) Obama has succeed where the past 10 or so Presidential administrations have failed to reform the health insurance industry. As a result, I will be able to give my employees better health insurance coverage for less than I am currently paying. In addition, the rate of increase will be manageable instead of the 10% increase that I have averaged over the past 20 years.
4) Obama's decision to expand health insurance coverage to kids under their parents plan until age 26 help two of my kids for a brief period until they both were able to obtain employment after graduating college.
5) Obama requiring insurance company's to cover birth control has resulted in the lowest amount of abortions in several years.

Anecdotal evidence ("I gots mine" or "I'm suffering") means little.

Millions fewer are working now than were when Obama took office.

Millions more on food stamps and welfare.

As a nation we're $6 trilion more in debt.

That's really all the evidence anyone needs.

I think, in hindsight, maybe it's not that surprising. It's not so much about "stuff" as about uncertainty. How do you reconcile 60% of voters or whatever it was saying (in exit polls) that Romney was better for the economy, but only 52% voting for him? It's easy to say people voted for stuff, but I think the explanation is maybe actually a rational choice - they were worried about the short-term. They could see Romney being better in the coming years, but what happens to them in the short-term? You could still argue it's about "stuff", but I'd make a distinction between wanting and needing that stuff over the longer-term.

And maybe that's where Romney fell flat on the economy and his message. You think Romney is better, but you still don't know for certain if and when he delivers. While I didn't really hear that Romney was going to end the free stuff any time soon, I'm sure that was the perception. And it's probably reasonable to expect at least the unending employment benefits would be cut-off. Not right away I'm sure, but probably some time before full employment @5%. So undoubtedly there would be losers there getting cut-off before the economy produced a job for them, and it's perfectly rational for people to be worried about being one of those losers.

Of course the irony in all that is the short-term choice driven out of fear further damages your long-run prospects for recovery. Kind of a vote to spread out your misery, and maybe sign-up for more total misery overall in exchange for some short-run placebo.

ccrunner609;1321461 wrote:1. Pure speculation.
2. Put you out of business.........pure speculation...you just said "survival of the fittest"...you didnt deserve to survive.
3. BS....insurance is more expensive now for everyone. The insurance business could of been reformed with other reforms and reduced regulations...not a huge government ran system.
4. Expanding to kids....everyone in this country can go buy insurance. You act like those poor 25 year olds had no choices.
5. Covering birth control.....the whole debate is ridiulous...people act like birth control is expensive. Its not, just a political charged topic.


So can you actually come up with anything?

1) Not according to the majority of experts at the time.
2) My industry works different. The government sets the rate they will pay for a service. My rate would have gone down 10% which would have put me and 80% of my competition out of business.
3) Pure speculation on your part. Also, the Republicans had their chance in the past and chose to kick the can down the road.
4) They had the choice to go without. If they got sick who do you think would have paid for it? (hint: you would as a taxpayer)
5) Birth control reduces the cost of insurance risk look it up.

Bigdogg;1321552 wrote: If they got sick who do you think would have paid for it? (hint: you would as a taxpayer)

Only if they are uncollectible, now and into the foreseeable future.