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Central District Coaches Poll #2 - 12/16/09

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usmc

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Dec 17, 2009 3:43 PM
Dad4Sports wrote: From the Dispatch

http://blog.dispatch.com/highschools..._polls_1.shtml

Wrestling: Area coaches polls

Division I
Top teams: 1. Pickerington North, 2. Teays Valley, 3. Hilliard Darby, 4. Marysville, 5. Hilliard Davidson, 6. Olentangy Liberty, 7. Dublin Coffman, 8. Westerville North, 9. Lancaster, 10. Grove City.

Top individuals coming soon

Division II
Top teams: 1. Olentangy, 2. Canal Winchester, 3. London, 4. DeSales, 5. Hilliard Bradley, 6. Licking Valley, 7. Big Walnut, 8. Jonathan Alder, 9. Hartley, 10. Hamilton Township.

Top individuals: 103: 1. Fiorucci (Olentangy), 2. Price (Licking Heights), 3. Jenkins (Canal Winchester). 112: 1. Wilson (DeSales), 2. McHugh (Olentangy), 3. Blacka (Jonathan Alder). 119: 1. Perez (London), 2. White (Big Walnut), 3. Webber (Olentangy). 125: 1. Hutchins (Canal Winchester), 2. Colvin (London), 3. Caserta (Olentangy). 130: 1. Shepard (Highland), 2. Fusco (Hartley), 3. Fosco (Olentangy). 135: 1. Wolfe (Licking Heights), 2. McAndrew (Highland), 3. Yant (Olentangy). 140: 1. Strayer (Lakewood), 2. Napier (Whitehall), 3. Rigney (Jonathan Alder). 145: 1. Rosch (Canal Winchester), 2. Grandominico (Olentangy), 3. Higgins (Hilliard Bradley). 152: 1. Hetterscheidt (Olentangy), 2. Worley (Big Walnut), 3. Silvers (London) and Driscoll (Hilliard Bradley). 160: 1. Zang (Hartley), 2. Clark (Whitehall), 3. Harble (Licking Valley) and Riggs (Hilliard Bradley). 171: 1. Bellamy (Canal Winchester), 2. Palmer (Jonathan Alder), 3. Kirby (Olentangy). 189: 1. Blankenship (Jonathan Alder), 2. Burrell (DeSales), 3. Mitchell (Licking Valley). 215: 1. Brown (Big Walnut), 2. Jackson (Hartley), 3. Stinemetz (Olentangy). 285: 1. Schramm (London), 2. Settles (Hamilton Township), 3. Pressley (Canal Winchester).

Division III

Top teams: 1. West Jefferson, 2. Heath; 3. Northmor; 4. Amanda-Clearcreek; 5. Utica; 6. Cardington; 7. Ready; 8. Pleasant; 9. Newark Catholic; 10. Grandview.

Top individuals: 103: 1. Regoli (Bloom-Carroll), 2. Fields (Pleasant), 3. Yoho (Ready). 112: 1. Carroll (Northmor), 2. Hall (Ready), 3. Hughes (West Jefferson). 119: 1. Heminger (Northmor), 2. Branham (West Jefferson), 3. Ankrom (Bloom-Carroll). 125: 1. Wheeler (Utica), 2. Neer (Northmor), 3. Reichle (West Jefferson). 130: 1. Coulter (Cardington), 2. Corns (Amanda-Clearcreek), 3. Beltz (East Knox). 135: 1. Gualtieri (West Jefferson), 2. Barlow (Heath), 3. Martello (Ready). 140: 1. Blackwell (West Jefferson), 2. Robinson (Heath), 3. George (Cardington). 145: 1. Prather (West Jefferson), 2. Nelson (Newark Catholic), 3. Cummins (Cardington). 152: 1. Falk (Grandview), 2. Robinson (Johnstown), 3. Slade (Pleasant). 160: 1. Cochran (West Jefferson), 2. Wilson (Amanda-Clearcreek), 3. King (Heath). 171: 1. Chenetski (Amanda-Clearcreek), 2. Garber (Newark Catholic), 3. Posey (Utica). 189: 1. Miller (Amanda-Clearcreek), 2. Drumm (Heath), 3. Beatty (Ready). 215: 1. Fabry (West Jefferson), 2. Wright (Northmor), 3. Ackerman (North Union). HVY.: 1. Setser (Northmor), 2. McAfee (Liberty Union), 3. Campbell (Mount Gilead).
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No offense, but Ready got 8th and Grandview 13th at Hamilton Township. Who are these coaches ranking these teams?!? I'm just not seeing the top ten rank. You really can't put much stock in this stuff.
Dec 17, 2009 3:43pm
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usmc

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Dec 17, 2009 3:49 PM
oldschoollion123 wrote: Al few of the Westfall kids should be in those rankings and the team should be in the top 10
Saw Westfall at Hamilton Tourney. They're good and beat some of those teams on the coaches poll. Don't worry, they'll get the love.
Dec 17, 2009 3:49pm
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pioneersfan

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Dec 17, 2009 4:27 PM
Why isnt there a Southeast/East Coaches Poll?
Dec 17, 2009 4:27pm
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alaah

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52 posts
Dec 17, 2009 4:55 PM
Is there even a southeast district coaches assoc.?
Dec 17, 2009 4:55pm
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alaah

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Dec 17, 2009 4:57 PM
What are you saying USMC about the rankings.??? If Ready finished higher than Grandview then they should be ranked higher????
Dec 17, 2009 4:57pm
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Dad4Sports

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Dec 17, 2009 5:13 PM
alaah wrote: What are you saying USMC about the rankings.??? If Ready finished higher than Grandview then they should be ranked higher????

I didn't get USMC's point either....

Ready finished ahead of Grandview at HT...this week Ready is ranked 7th, and Grandview 10th in the poll...
Isn't that the way it's supposed to work?
Dec 17, 2009 5:13pm
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Westie101

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Dec 17, 2009 6:09 PM
Grandview only had two wrestlers at HT... I didnt even know they had team big enough to be ranked this year.
Dec 17, 2009 6:09pm
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snugglyhippo

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Dec 17, 2009 6:57 PM
I am not defending, just interpreting what I think usmc is saying. To be simple, I think he is saying that based on both teams finishes at the Hamilton tourney, that neither deserve to be ranked in the top ten as of yet. That is what I got anyway.
Dec 17, 2009 6:57pm
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hizzmuther

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Dec 17, 2009 9:18 PM
6 minutes- Hammonds from Olentangy does them for D2
Dec 17, 2009 9:18pm
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otter84

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Dec 17, 2009 9:35 PM
Olentangy and Olentangy Liberty came down to thre final match with Olentangy's Heavy winning by pin for a five point margin. Exciting match to watch. Liberty maybe closing the GAP. However, I would expect Olentangy's conditioning to improve over the year. The official had a bad night costing Olentangy two 2 points on a flagrant foul and ejection. Could have had a big impact on the match outcome but more importantly costing a wrestler mat time by such a call. Unless there was something that I did not see or not aware of that call should never be made.
Dec 17, 2009 9:35pm
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WKWAW

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Dec 17, 2009 9:50 PM
Cruiser, Taylor from WK will probably go 125 sometime in early january. Surprising Mccombs already went 125, he must be big.
Dec 17, 2009 9:50pm
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WKWAW

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Dec 17, 2009 9:54 PM
I don't know if i buy into all the olentangy kids being ranked, i definately see 3 that sould be up there, fiorucci, grandominico and Hetterscheidt, but it seems as if they'll have a strong team.
Dec 17, 2009 9:54pm
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oldtimer1979

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Dec 17, 2009 11:09 PM
Maynard #285 lb @ Watterson DII will be in the top mix. . He has beaten Settles and Pressley just recently and gave Schramm a great match last year. As always, the mat will be the deciding factor, not the opinions of us fans.
Dec 17, 2009 11:09pm
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6 minutes

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Dec 17, 2009 11:17 PM
Hizz......That's what I thought!
Dec 17, 2009 11:17pm
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Cthelites

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Dec 17, 2009 11:45 PM
WKWAW wrote: I don't know if i buy into all the olentangy kids being ranked, i definately see 3 that sould be up there, fiorucci, grandominico and Hetterscheidt, but it seems as if they'll have a strong team.
Their freshman 112 McHugh is the real deal.
He would have taken top 3 in jr high state last yr if he wrestled.
Dec 17, 2009 11:45pm
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Dad4Sports

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Dec 18, 2009 12:31 AM
oldtimer1979 wrote: Maynard #285 lb @ Watterson DII will be in the top mix. . He has beaten Settles and Pressley just recently and gave Schramm a great match last year. As always, the mat will be the deciding factor, not the opinions of us fans.
When "has he beaten Pressley recently"? They have not wrestled this year......last year, I believe they may have split 2 matches when Maynard was at Teays Valley. No doubt, Maynard should do very well in the D2 heavyweight scene....
Dec 18, 2009 12:31am
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alaah

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Dec 18, 2009 6:12 AM
As far as the DIII rankings you also have to consider the remaining teams in Central Oh. and their strength.
Dec 18, 2009 6:12am
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Mat Shark

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Dec 18, 2009 7:16 AM
monarchpride wrote: WOW Olentangy has 11 ranked wrestlers out of 14 weight classes
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hizzmuther wrote: Hammonds from Olentangy does them for D2
= BOGUS
Cthelites wrote: Their freshman 112 McHugh is the real deal.
He would have taken top 3 in jr high state last yr if he wrestled.
woulda, coulda, shoulda
junior high ain't high school
at the time these rankings came out, he had yet to wrestle a high school match, but his own coach ranked him about blacka, a district qualifier, and all but one other 112 pound wrestler. (not saying the kid shouldn't eventually be ranked, just that he should have to actually wrestle in high school before he is)

the coaches association should be embarrassed by hammons obvious bias and give the responsibility to another coach
Dec 18, 2009 7:16am
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hizzmuther

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Dec 18, 2009 7:43 AM
I don't know... I'm all for a little bias this early in the season. Put your kids out there. Believe in your team. As the season rolls along, these rankings will change, but they will always remain opinion. Believe me, the kids read these and love to see their names in print -- it's part of the fun -- but they know they have to prove it on the mat and they will, or they won't, as the season rolls along. I know there is a kid or two from West who are still waiting patiently on the D1 individual polls and even I hope to see them on there.
Dec 18, 2009 7:43am
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Mat Shark

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Dec 18, 2009 8:17 AM
hizzmuther wrote: I don't know... I'm all for a little bias this early in the season. Put your kids out there. Believe in your team. As the season rolls along, these rankings will change, but they will always remain opinion. Believe me, the kids read these and love to see their names in print -- it's part of the fun -- but they know they have to prove it on the mat and they will, or they won't, as the season rolls along. I know there is a kid or two from West who are still waiting patiently on the D1 individual polls and even I hope to see them on there.

you are for bias? :huh:
how is that fair to the kids who bust there butts and are the victims of this bias?
sounds like you might be a little biased for the person doing them.
it is exactly because kids see and read these in the paper that they should be as fair and objective as possible

also, they don't change much. look at last year, much of the season kids were ranked while not wrestling for months due to injury at weights they never did make. see that is the problem with having a bias, it is hard to change ones prejudices
(just like it's hard for you to admit you were wrong for jumping all over me earlier in this thread)
Dec 18, 2009 8:17am
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Dad4Sports

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Dec 18, 2009 8:47 AM
Once again.....these rankings will only be as good as the quantity/quality of information provided by the member coaches.....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the D1, D2, D3 coaches reps are simply supposed to compile all the info as provided by the other coaches. If very few of the coaches participate, then the reps have little information to go on.

This time of the year, wrestling coaches are already stressed for time....they don't have time to peruse these boards looking for all the results (that 's a job for us wrestling fans:)). However, there is no excuse for not sending at least one weekly email update to the district rep providing info on each coach's team. Or at the very least, delegate that job to an assistant or a parent booster.
Dec 18, 2009 8:47am
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cruiser_96

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Dec 18, 2009 10:49 AM
I'm doing everything in my power to collect data on my own so when coaches do advise me of a wrestler - like a number of coaches have - I can ask things like... "Has he seen so-and-so?" "I appreciate the nomination but right now I have two state placers and a state alternate in the lead. I have the kid you mentioned as fifth...has he seen the fourth best or any of the other thre?" "I have your kid in the one spot for now, I hope things continue that way for your wrestler." Or questions such as...

When I type my rankings, you can gauruntee I will give a paragraph as to why I rank the way I do. The best thing I can come up with is concistency.
Dec 18, 2009 10:49am
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iwrestle365

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Dec 18, 2009 5:52 PM
is fusco even eligable to go down to 130 this year?
Dec 18, 2009 5:52pm
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Dirtyscramble

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Dec 18, 2009 6:35 PM
Hows your boy doing iwrestle165? is he at 130 also?
Dec 18, 2009 6:35pm
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hizzmuther

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Dec 18, 2009 9:54 PM
Mat Shark... 26 schools in Central District D2, 14 varsity kids on most teams.... That's a lot of kids. Not a lot of complete results being posted... no individual dual meet results... no way for any coach to know who all of the front runners are. Put out what you've got and what you know and change it as the season rolls. No bias here for anyone doing the rankings (all I know about Olentangy coaches is that they stood between me and my kid's matches for the entire tournament -- not gonna earn 'em any bias from me), except that SOMEONE is doing them this week. The only little bit of positive bias I have is for any coach who believes in his team. Ranking is a lot of work on top of their full time jobs and coaching jobs. All I'm saying is start with something, then make changes. And again, I really am bored and ready for interesting reading any time you'd like to put some rankings out. You know wrestling and wrestlers (more of them, in fact, than coaches who don't work the off season if you're still the same Mat Shark you used to be... who knows....) Rank some kids... put some more names out there.
Dec 18, 2009 9:54pm