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Jun 23, 2011 8:52 PM
jordo212000;811945 wrote:Hate the Thompson pick at number 4. Didn't impress me.

Cavs could have got the most value by picking Williams number 1 and getting Knight at 4

I'll take this as a good sign as you know nothing about basketball.
Jun 23, 2011 8:52pm
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Jun 23, 2011 8:53 PM
sleeper;811944 wrote:It's not a weak draft. Every year we here about weak drafts. I bet 2003 was also considered a weak draft, lol.
sleeper;811949 wrote:I'll take this as a good sign as you know nothing about basketball.

Pot meet kettle.
Jun 23, 2011 8:53pm
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Jun 23, 2011 8:53 PM
sleeper;811944 wrote:It's not a weak draft. Every year we here about weak drafts. I bet 2003 was also considered a weak draft, lol.
Almost every year in the 2000's theres at least been a sure fire franchise #1 type player. This year may be decent with overall talent, but the cream of the crop certainly doesnt look to be very good
Jun 23, 2011 8:53pm
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Jun 23, 2011 8:56 PM
Hb31187;811953 wrote:Almost every year in the 2000's theres at least been a sure fire franchise #1 type player. This year may be decent with overall talent, but the cream of the crop certainly doesnt look to be very good

Do you have a link that none of these players will be a franchise #1 type player? None of these guys have played a minute in the NBA, and last time I checked, guys like Oden, Kwame Brown, etc have all busted out.

The point is, you can judge how weak a draft is maybe 5 years from now. You've been HOODWINKED by the media, and it goes to show that none of you think for yourself and just follow whatever garbage is spewed to you on ESPN.
Jun 23, 2011 8:56pm
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Jun 23, 2011 8:56 PM
jordo212000;811945 wrote:Hate the Thompson pick at number 4. Didn't impress me.

Cavs could have got the most value by picking Williams number 1 and getting Knight at 4

Not a big fan of it myself, but utah really fucked us. We had to do what we had to if we couldnt get good value for the pick.
As for picking williams first, them knight at #4.... hindsight is always 20/20
Jun 23, 2011 8:56pm
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Jun 23, 2011 8:57 PM
sleeper;811960 wrote:Do you have a link that none of these players will be a franchise #1 type player? None of these guys have played a minute in the NBA, and last time I checked, guys like Oden, Kwame Brown, etc have all busted out.

The point is, you can judge how weak a draft is maybe 5 years from now. You've been HOODWINKED by the media, and it goes to show that none of you think for yourself and just follow whatever garbage is spewed to you on ESPN.

Lol yes ive been brainwashed by ESPN, you got me. Want a link to that?
Jun 23, 2011 8:57pm
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Jun 23, 2011 8:58 PM
Hb31187;811963 wrote:Lol yes ive been brainwashed by ESPN, you got me. Want a link to that?

Okay, can you tell me which picks in the past years have been consensus #1 franchise type players? Give me the last 5 years.

This will be hilarious, I can't wait to expose your ignorance.
Jun 23, 2011 8:58pm
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Jun 23, 2011 8:59 PM
yeah, I would have liked the williams and knight picks for value....but I am happy with Irving. The Thompson pick is interesting, but who knows....
Jun 23, 2011 8:59pm
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Jun 23, 2011 9:01 PM
The last 3 #1 players drafted? Wall, Griffin and Rose were all pegged as Franchise type players. Irving is good,very good. But people arent speaking nearly as highly of him as they did those players I just listed
Jun 23, 2011 9:01pm
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Jun 23, 2011 9:01 PM
Middle of the college season weren't they talking about Thompson being a possible #1 pick?
Jun 23, 2011 9:01pm
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Jun 23, 2011 9:02 PM
I think he's better then wall right now. Hands down.
Jun 23, 2011 9:02pm
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Jun 23, 2011 9:02 PM
Midstate01;811982 wrote:I think he's better then wall right now. Hands down.
Who?
Jun 23, 2011 9:02pm
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Jun 23, 2011 9:03 PM
Hate the Thompson pick at number 4. Didn't impress me.

Cavs could have got the most value by picking Williams number 1 and getting Knight at 4

Not a big fan of it myself, but utah really fucked us. We had to do what we had to if we couldnt get good value for the pick.
As for picking williams first, them knight at #4.... hindsight is always 20/20
True. But you and I talking about it is one thing, Grant has to be prepared for this sort of thing. Didn't seem like they had a backup plan once the Jazz picked Kanter
Jun 23, 2011 9:03pm
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Jun 23, 2011 9:04 PM
Hb31187;811978 wrote:The last 3 #1 players drafted? Wall, Griffin and Rose were all pegged as Franchise type players. Irving is good,very good. But people arent speaking nearly as highly of him as they did those players I just listed

Wall sucks, how about Barnagni, Oden, Bogut? I'll give your Rose and Griffin, but outside of them there hasn't been that type of player since Dwight in 2004. Have you looked at recent draft history? Lot's of garbage players were selected in the lottery the past 5-6 years, I don't think this draft is any weaker than any other draft.
Jun 23, 2011 9:04pm
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Jun 23, 2011 9:05 PM
Wall sucks?

16. 8 and 5 as a rookie Pg sucks, you're serious? Thats about exactly what D rose put up....
Jun 23, 2011 9:05pm
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Jun 23, 2011 9:05 PM
sleeper;811969 wrote:Okay, can you tell me which picks in the past years have been consensus #1 franchise type players? Give me the last 5 years.
The last four have all had guys that were labeled as franchise changers.

Of the five, 3 are at or near MVP caliber, one is still up in the air, and one was a bust.

2010 - Wall
2009 - Blake Griffin
2008 - Derrick Rose(small debate with Beasley, but no real suspense about who would be #1)
2007 - Oden and Durant both fell into the category of franchise changing players in most people's minds
2006 - none(poor draft)
Jun 23, 2011 9:05pm
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Jun 23, 2011 9:06 PM
jordo212000;811989 wrote:True. But you and I talking about it is one thing, Grant has to be prepared for this sort of thing. Didn't seem like they had a backup plan once the Jazz picked Kanter

Yes they did, his name was Tristan Thompson. There was a reason he was a late edition to the Williams/Kanter workout
Jun 23, 2011 9:06pm
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Jun 23, 2011 9:06 PM
sleeper;811993 wrote:Wall sucks, how about Barnagni, Oden, Bogut? I'll give your Rose and Griffin, but outside of them there hasn't been that type of player since Dwight in 2004. Have you looked at recent draft history? Lot's of garbage players were selected in the lottery the past 5-6 years, I don't think this draft is any weaker than any other draft.

well it is euro heavy and most of us aren't familiar with the foreign players, so it doesn't have the marquee names...that is for sure.
Jun 23, 2011 9:06pm
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Jun 23, 2011 9:06 PM
A lot of you guys forget how good Irving was before the toe injury
Jun 23, 2011 9:06pm
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Jun 23, 2011 9:06 PM
Wall sucks
Huh?
Jun 23, 2011 9:06pm
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Jun 23, 2011 9:06 PM
Hb31187;811996 wrote:Wall sucks?

16. 8 and 5 as a rookie Pg sucks, you're serious? Thats about exactly what D rose put up....

Yes, and on a bad team.
Jun 23, 2011 9:06pm
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Jun 23, 2011 9:07 PM
LOL

Bogut is the 2nd best center in the League.
Jun 23, 2011 9:07pm
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Jun 23, 2011 9:07 PM
wes_mantooth;812000 wrote:well it is euro heavy and most of us aren't familiar with the foreign players, so it doesn't have the marquee names...that is for sure.

This x1000. Weak draft to people = I don't know some of the players in the draft
Jun 23, 2011 9:07pm
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Jun 23, 2011 9:07 PM
sleeper;812004 wrote:Yes, and on a bad team.

Correct me if im wrong...but dont most #1 players go to bad teams? lmao
Jun 23, 2011 9:07pm
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Jun 23, 2011 9:09 PM
True. But you and I talking about it is one thing, Grant has to be prepared for this sort of thing. Didn't seem like they had a backup plan once the Jazz picked Kanter

Yes they did, his name was Tristan Thompson. There was a reason he was a late edition to the Williams/Kanter workout
Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. Just looking at some of the film, he doesn't seem like much of a difference maker. They should have traded that pick
Jun 23, 2011 9:09pm