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May 26, 2011 9:48 AM
BR1986FB;781681 wrote:You did it yourself with this "And yes I know he got hurt" statement. If LeQuitter is going to get a pass for his FAKE elbow injury than Rondo should get one for a LEGIT injury.

I was waiting for this. He got hurt in game 3 and followed it up with his best game of the series. How do you explain the 3 games when he was healthy?

There really isn't an argument here. He didn't play well against Miami because they played to his weaknesses. If you want to say he's top 5 that's a matter of opinion. But he didn't play well against Miami.
May 26, 2011 9:48am
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May 26, 2011 9:49 AM
All with one arm. You chode. Can you give me stats of his regular season matchups as well?
May 26, 2011 9:49am
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May 26, 2011 9:54 AM
bases_loaded;781685 wrote:All with one arm. You chode. Can you give me stats of his regular season matchups as well?

AGAIN he was hurt in game 3 in the 2nd half. He followed that up with his best game.

And my argument is the playoff series against Miami. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
May 26, 2011 9:54am
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May 26, 2011 9:55 AM
Again I'm not even saying he played bad. I just don't think he's a top 5 PG.
May 26, 2011 9:55am
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May 26, 2011 9:56 AM
thedynasty1998;781690 wrote:AGAIN he was hurt in game 3 in the 2nd half. He followed that up with his best game.

And my argument is the playoff series against Miami. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

I think the point that people are trying to make is that you cant label a player because of one good or bad series.

Look at the series that Hedo had against the Cavs a few years ago, he was awesome that series.....does that make him an all-star?
May 26, 2011 9:56am
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May 26, 2011 10:01 AM
KR1245;781697 wrote:I think the point that people are trying to make is that you cant label a player because of one good or bad series.

Look at the series that Hedo had against the Cavs a few years ago, he was awesome that series.....does that make him an all-star?
I understand that. But all I said was Miami was able to expose Rondo's weaknesses in the playlets by making it a half court game and daring him to shoot. I don't know why anyone would be up in arms about that. I never said he was bad I'm just not as high on him as others.
May 26, 2011 10:01am
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May 26, 2011 10:03 AM
Clearly dont get it. Your reputation proceeds you. You're on the same level as Gibby and Capone.
May 26, 2011 10:03am
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May 26, 2011 10:11 AM
Commander of Awesome;781704 wrote:Clearly dont get it. Your reputation proceeds you. You're on the same level as Gibby and Capone.

so are you
May 26, 2011 10:11am
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May 26, 2011 10:12 AM
I wouldn't take Rondo over Paul, Deron, Rose, WB, or even Steve Nash at this point who averaged 5 more points and had more APG than Rondo this year. Rondo is 100% garbage on offense. He's great on defense, rebounding, and passing, but his inability to score on anything besides layups makes him worthless unless he's surrounded by 3 possible Hall of Famers.

So yeah, I wouldn't have Rondo in my top 5 for PGs either. Maybe 6th. You need to be able to score in the NBA.

And don't give me this excuse that Rondo's elbow was the reason he couldn't score. Literally the exact same injury happened to Manu BEFORE the series and he still scored 20 per game against the Grizzlies.
May 26, 2011 10:12am
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May 26, 2011 10:13 AM
derek bomar;781717 wrote:so are you

Aw here comes dynasty's loverboy to the rescue. lmao like your say holds any water. Dont you guys have some columbus hockey games to stalk Gibby and hold hands to attend? (lol I went with a gay joke because Crynasty loves to use them so much and I figured I'd have to go to his level otherwise my clever insults would just go over his head).
May 26, 2011 10:13am
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May 26, 2011 11:34 AM
How can somebody say that Rondos offense is shit when the guy averages close to 10 dimes a game? He may not be the best outside shooter but thats not his game, hes a facilitator. There is more to offense than scoring. He runs that offense and he runs it pretty damn well.

I'm not going to put him in my top 5 but the guy is a damn good PG
May 26, 2011 11:34am
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May 26, 2011 11:44 AM
Commander of Awesome;781720 wrote:Aw here comes dynasty's loverboy to the rescue. lmao like your say holds any water. Dont you guys have some columbus hockey games to stalk Gibby and hold hands to attend? (lol I went with a gay joke because Crynasty loves to use them so much and I figured I'd have to go to his level otherwise my clever insults would just go over his head).

well, 1) the Blue Jacket's season is over 2) I know you are but what am I?
May 26, 2011 11:44am
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May 26, 2011 11:53 AM
KR1245;781794 wrote:How can somebody say that Rondos offense is shit when the guy averages close to 10 dimes a game? He may not be the best outside shooter but thats not his game, hes a facilitator. There is more to offense than scoring. He runs that offense and he runs it pretty damn well.

I'm not going to put him in my top 5 but the guy is a damn good PG

I agree with this. Guy isn't as big of an offensive liability as people make him out to be. He does a great job of delivering the ball and running an offense. He just isn't really a threat to shoot.
May 26, 2011 11:53am
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May 26, 2011 12:25 PM
trep14;781809 wrote:He just isn't really a threat to shoot.

Which cost them in the postseason. The Heat gave Rondo 15 foot jumpers all day knowing he wasn't going to score from them. The Heat were good enough to force Rondo to beat them, and he simply couldn't because he can't.

If Rondo can learn to knock down that jumper, IMO he challenges for top 3 PG status.
May 26, 2011 12:25pm
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May 26, 2011 12:26 PM
trep14;781809 wrote:I agree with this. Guy isn't as big of an offensive liability as people make him out to be. He does a great job of delivering the ball and running an offense. He just isn't really a threat to shoot.

agree. he had his fair share of 20-30 point games this year if im not mistaken. Got to have some kind of offensive game to do that. Obviously he is going to be an offensive liability when he is playing with one arm though. duh!
May 26, 2011 12:26pm
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May 26, 2011 12:30 PM
derek bomar;781803 wrote:well, 1) the Blue Jacket's season is over 2) I know you are but what am I?

It's sad when he attempts to insult you and realizes it was pathetic, then edits his post to make it even more embarrassing. Also sad that he remembers we went to a hockey game and saw Mike Clark. Dude continues to demonstrate his obsession with me.
May 26, 2011 12:30pm
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May 26, 2011 12:34 PM
Oh ya, and when I think of a point guard.. I dont think of the Derek Rose's, Westbrook's, or Deron Williams' of the world. I think more of Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, and Rondo. Point guards are supposed to get their teammates involved, not be the leading scorer or shoot 20-25 times a game. Even though it is starting to evolve..
May 26, 2011 12:34pm
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May 26, 2011 12:38 PM
Pick6;781852 wrote:Oh ya, and when I think of a point guard.. I dont think of the Derek Rose's, Westbrook's, or Deron Williams' of the world. I think more of Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, and Rondo. Point guards are supposed to get their teammates involved, not be the leading scorer or shoot 20-25 times a game. Even though it is starting to evolve..

Exactly. When I think PG I think "facilitator" who is dishing out a boatload of assists. I'm not sure that Kyrie Irving will be that facilitator early on in his career. I think Byron Scott can help make him into one but I think Irving will be a "score first" type of PG.
May 26, 2011 12:38pm
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May 26, 2011 12:40 PM
Pick6;781852 wrote:Oh ya, and when I think of a point guard.. I dont think of the Derek Rose's, Westbrook's, or Deron Williams' of the world. I think more of Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, and Rondo. Point guards are supposed to get their teammates involved, not be the leading scorer or shoot 20-25 times a game. Even though it is starting to evolve..

Deron Williams is actually a pretty damn good facilitator.
May 26, 2011 12:40pm
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May 26, 2011 12:47 PM
Pick6;781840 wrote:agree. he had his fair share of 20-30 point games this year if im not mistaken. Got to have some kind of offensive game to do that. Obviously he is going to be an offensive liability when he is playing with one arm though. duh!

Keep up with the discussion. He wasn't highly effective prior to the injury and I originally brought him up in regards to the Miami series. AGAIN, I like him. Just don't think he's top 5. I have no problem with someone who does though.
May 26, 2011 12:47pm
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May 26, 2011 12:48 PM
BR1986FB;781858 wrote:Exactly. When I think PG I think "facilitator" who is dishing out a boatload of assists. I'm not sure that Kyrie Irving will be that facilitator early on in his career. I think Byron Scott can help make him into one but I think Irving will be a "score first" type of PG.

The Cavs need him to be a scorer first and facilitator second. That's why I like him for the Cavs so much.
May 26, 2011 12:48pm
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May 26, 2011 12:50 PM
thedynasty1998;781869 wrote:The Cavs need him to be a scorer first and facilitator second. That's why I like him for the Cavs so much.

Agree on that because I highly doubt they'll have a lot of viable scoring options for him to dish to.
May 26, 2011 12:50pm
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May 26, 2011 1:06 PM
Pick6;781852 wrote:I think more of Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, and Rondo..

Nash and Kidd CAN hit jumpers, and that's why they're both better than Rondo all around.

So don't place Rondo in the same category as Nash and Kidd as distributors if part of the other 2's ability to distribute comes from the fact defenses have to account for their scoring ability, when defenses don't have to worry about Rondo scoring.
May 26, 2011 1:06pm
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May 26, 2011 1:11 PM
Kidd didn't develop the jumper/3 to his game until much later in his career.
May 26, 2011 1:11pm
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May 26, 2011 1:20 PM
thedynasty1998;781845 wrote: Also sad that he remembers we went to a hockey game and saw Mike Clark. Dude continues to demonstrate his obsession with me.

I know its difficult for an imbred extended stay communtiy college "grad" such as yourself to fathom (see dictionary for definitiion) but I actually have a phenomenal memory and recall you posting the pictures giddy (lol get it, play on gibby) about it. I also thought it was funny that you were able to recognize him based on the jumbo tron image from LJ's avatar. Just demonostrates your unhealthy/creepy obsession with Gibby that you're following him around taking pictures of him. Not suprising thoguh from a spineless creep such as yourself.
May 26, 2011 1:20pm