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Con_Alma

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12,198 posts
Jan 28, 2011 12:08 PM
queencitybuckeye;656470 wrote:Is there any reference to "tapping out" in the rules? If not, the ref should do nothing in reaction to it.

I don't believe there is but I don't know for sure.
Jan 28, 2011 12:08pm
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Fab1b

The Bald A-Hole!!

12,949 posts
Jan 28, 2011 12:19 PM
There is no tap out rule in wrestling. The wrestler must request injury time out or default!
Jan 28, 2011 12:19pm
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Nick Mangold

32,056 posts
Jan 28, 2011 12:23 PM
I've been away from the sport too long, I didn't realize this was common practice. I agree with QCB, if there is no rule on the books then it should be ignored.
Jan 28, 2011 12:23pm
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bonelizzard

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Jan 28, 2011 12:49 PM
justincredible;656526 wrote:I've been away from the sport too long, I didn't realize this was common practice. I agree with QCB, if there is no rule on the books then it should be ignored.

I think this sums it all up very nicely.. Very well put. There's no rule in the books that mentions "tapping out". So, if no rule exists don't honor it. Keep wrestling, tap out or not, until the end of the period, the fall, or whatever else may happen.. According to the rules..
Jan 28, 2011 12:49pm
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Jmar25

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Jan 28, 2011 12:49 PM
justincredible;656526 wrote:I've been away from the sport too long, I didn't realize this was common practice. I agree with QCB, if there is no rule on the books then it should be ignored.

I think this brings up the need for what I've been asking for the last couple years. All associations need to meet and unify situations such as this. Some will say stop for fear of injury and then a lawsuit...ect... Some will say ignore... Some will say your discression. There are other situations like this that are shakey and some areas of the state call one way. I feel this needs to be addressed by the associations. I see where everyone stands on this. I can see each argument andlike I said earlier I've called this way because of an elder officials advice and I've never had an issue with how I've made the call with any coaches or anything like that. I feel like this is something I will have to look into further and possibly change. I appreciate the opinions guys.
Jan 28, 2011 12:49pm
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Clever Guy

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Jan 28, 2011 12:50 PM
I've seen "tap-outs" treated like a "scream point"... I don't get it. I'd go with Fab on that one. There are rules in place designed to protect a wrestler from further injury if he is hurt. We've all seen the kids bridge out of a fall, and the FLAILING around when a hold is tight or painful. Match should end in fall. I don't agree with only "1" scream point though. I think at least 3 should be awarded, as it is easy to assume at least "3" NF points if not a fall would've been secured. Fab - Can you explain injury time anyway? How can a wrestler call for injury time mid-action, do a few wind-struts or pilates and within 30 seconds we're back in action??
Jan 28, 2011 12:50pm
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Con_Alma

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Jan 28, 2011 12:54 PM
Jmar25;656582 wrote:... All associations need to meet and unify situations such as this. Some will say stop for fear of injury and then a lawsuit...ect... Some will say ignore... Some will say your discression. There are other situations like this that are shakey and some areas of the state call one way. I feel this needs to be addressed by the associations....
This will happen just has soon as we have State unified sectional tournament seedings...which means probably never.
Jan 28, 2011 12:54pm
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Fab1b

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Jan 28, 2011 12:57 PM
The wrestler can request an injury time out by verbally requesting one. There is no signal for the wrestler. If the official thinks a wrestler is hurt the official can and will stop for injury. A coach or wrestler may also default at any time.
Jan 28, 2011 12:57pm
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Jmar25

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438 posts
Jan 28, 2011 12:59 PM
Con_Alma;656592 wrote:This will happen just has soon as we have State unified sectional tournament seedings...which means probably never.

Haha. I know like I said... I've wanted for a few years. So I plan on waiting a few more. That is why most coaches dread the state tourney. You just aren't sure what you are going to get from match to match.
Jan 28, 2011 12:59pm
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Jmar25

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Jan 28, 2011 1:01 PM
Fab1b;656599 wrote:The wrestler can request an injury time out by verbally requesting one. There is no signal for the wrestler. If the official thinks a wrestler is hurt the official can and will stop for injury. A coach or wrestler may also default at any time.

You ref in Fla? Correct? How is it handled there?
Jan 28, 2011 1:01pm
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I Wear Pants

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Jan 28, 2011 3:03 PM
Fab1b;656599 wrote:The wrestler can request an injury time out by verbally requesting one. There is no signal for the wrestler. If the official thinks a wrestler is hurt the official can and will stop for injury. A coach or wrestler may also default at any time.
Though generally the ref will accept the injury time signal (same one they use to indicate to the score keepers/clock workers that injury time has started). I know I used that method rather than verbally asking for it when I was poked in the eye a few times.
Jan 28, 2011 3:03pm
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Nick Mangold

32,056 posts
Jan 28, 2011 3:19 PM
I Wear Pants;656761 wrote:Though generally the ref will accept the injury time signal (same one they use to indicate to the score keepers/clock workers that injury time has started). I know I used that method rather than verbally asking for it when I was poked in the eye a few times.

That's cool. I just continued wrestling, like a man, when I got poked in the eye. :)
Jan 28, 2011 3:19pm
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I Wear Pants

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Jan 28, 2011 3:23 PM
Jan 28, 2011 3:23pm
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hailthevillian

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Jan 28, 2011 7:20 PM
In mma if a fighter taps the match is over and he loses. PERIOD. END OF STORY. It should be the same in wrestling whether the kid is being pinned or not. By tapping he is signaling that he is giving up and no longer wants to continue. As a wrestler my self I take great pride in giving it all I got for 6 CONTINUEOUS minutes, and would rather pass out and get pinned than to tap out just to keep myself from being pinned. If the kid is injured and he taps out than the match should be stopped on an injury default.

Wrestling is NOT a sport for EVERYONE. Those who do wrestle are a select few that should take pride in what they do, and continue to fight no matter what the circumstance is during a match.
Jan 28, 2011 7:20pm
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I Wear Pants

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Jan 28, 2011 7:44 PM
I disagree, wrestling is a sport for everyone. Not everyone enjoys or has the intestinal fortitude to want to wrestle but anyone can.
Jan 28, 2011 7:44pm
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Fab1b

The Bald A-Hole!!

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Jan 29, 2011 12:15 AM
Jmar25;656613 wrote:You ref in Fla? Correct? How is it handled there?

It's a national rule should be the same everywhere. I posted how I/we handle it.
Jan 29, 2011 12:15am
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bonelizzard

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Jan 29, 2011 8:45 AM
hailthevillian;656971 wrote:In mma if a fighter taps the match is over and he loses. PERIOD. END OF STORY. It should be the same in wrestling whether the kid is being pinned or not. By tapping he is signaling that he is giving up and no longer wants to continue.

My point exactly.. Tap out =surrender.. match over
Injury time request in a vulnerable just before getting pinned position=3 maybe 4 pts. awarded to wrestler in control
Injury time request any other time=injury time granted
Jan 29, 2011 8:45am
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mella

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647 posts
Jan 29, 2011 9:29 AM
Unless there is an obvious injury or blood, a ref should not stop any action when a wrestler is on his back. This is a bad strategy that has been coached by bad coaches and bad fathers who don't understand the sport. Yes, I've talked to enough coaches and wrestlers to know there are coaches who have emphasized the "scream out" rule to avoid a pin. It lacks character and class to allow a wrestler to continue after they use this strategy to avoid a pin. The 3 + 1 rule is weak, unless the injury or blood is obvious. Everyone who wrestles or is involved in wrestling understands the inherent danger in the sport so I don't see how a ref is open to legal action if they don't stop the action when a baby, I mean a wrestler, cries out when on his back. Let the action continue for a few more seconds so the pin can be secured.
Jan 29, 2011 9:29am
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Con_Alma

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Jan 29, 2011 9:57 AM
bonelizzard;657251 wrote:... Tap out =surrender.. match over...
A match can only end by the scenarios listed in the rules rule and this rule does not exist.
Jan 29, 2011 9:57am
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Dad4Sports

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Jan 29, 2011 2:55 PM
mella;657268 wrote:Unless there is an obvious injury or blood, a ref should not stop any action when a wrestler is on his back. This is a bad strategy that has been coached by bad coaches and bad fathers who don't understand the sport. Yes, I've talked to enough coaches and wrestlers to know there are coaches who have emphasized the "scream out" rule to avoid a pin. It lacks character and class to allow a wrestler to continue after they use this strategy to avoid a pin. The 3 + 1 rule is weak, unless the injury or blood is obvious. Everyone who wrestles or is involved in wrestling understands the inherent danger in the sport so I don't see how a ref is open to legal action if they don't stop the action when a baby, I mean a wrestler, cries out when on his back. Let the action continue for a few more seconds so the pin can be secured.

Agree 100%.....if there is no easy solution to this problem, then maybe the 3+1 should be changed to 3+3 or something like that.
Jan 29, 2011 2:55pm
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bonelizzard

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Jan 29, 2011 3:39 PM
Con_Alma;657282 wrote:A match can only end by the scenarios listed in the rules rule and this rule does not exist.

exactly. That's why there needs to be a change. The sooner the better. Rules need to adjust and change with the times to maintain the integrity of this wonderful sport.
tapout =surrender. I give up. I throw in the towel. I quit. End of match. Get off the mat.
Jan 29, 2011 3:39pm
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queencitybuckeye

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7,117 posts
Jan 30, 2011 8:52 AM
Maintaining the "integrity" of the sport by bringing it one inch closer to MMA is a contradiction in terms.
Jan 30, 2011 8:52am
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Cthelites

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1,951 posts
Jan 30, 2011 11:09 AM
Dad4Sports;657416 wrote:Agree 100%.....if there is no easy solution to this problem, then maybe the 3+1 should be changed to 3+3 or something like that.

That might work.
Jan 30, 2011 11:09am
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Gardens35

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4,929 posts
Jan 30, 2011 12:59 PM
Cthelites;657972 wrote:That might work.

..or if the top wrestler is down by 7, he gets 8 and choice. If he's up, he gets enough to make it a 14 point lead and choice...



Tap Out=Pinfall!
Jan 30, 2011 12:59pm