Belly35;658792 wrote:Estimated population of Cleveland 914,808
Estimated power output for one Wind Power Generator 600 homes

Where do you plan on we set 1524 Wind Power Generators that requires 8 areas of land (water would be less 4 areas)

While I agree that efficiency is generally the low-hanging fruit, where are you getting the idea that a wind turbine takes up 8 areas (acres?) of land? I do this all the time, and it takes up significantly less.

Wind has reached grid parity in many parts of the country. Solar isn't there yet, but it's moving in that direction.

And no one has suggested that any one "green" solution is the end all be all. We should be looking towards them now though rather in the 50-160 years when we run out of oil and go "oh shit".

fan_from_texas;659539 wrote:While I agree that efficiency is generally the low-hanging fruit, where are you getting the idea that a wind turbine takes up 8 areas (acres?) of land? I do this all the time, and it takes up significantly less.

Wind has reached grid parity in many parts of the country. Solar isn't there yet, but it's moving in that direction.

For proper spacing of Blade Wind Turbine I used 8 acres because that what I was told is the requirement of the legal land clearance and environmental safe. “Ground vibration”. My company is developing an instrument for the wind turbine and in my few visit to different site arond the country this information was provide.

How much land is required?
Large wind projects require 10-30 acres of land per turbine to provide
Adequate exposure to the wind, proper setbacks from homes and roadways,
and appropriate spacing between turbines. Terrain features also need to be
considered. Space is needed around a turbine for a 20-foot, gravel access
road, a 10x12 foot concrete pad for an electrical transformer, and the
turbine foundation.

You have to use the "green" energy that is efficient for your environment.

Arizona is great for solar. Ohio is retarded for solar.
Oklahoma great for wind. Colorado is retarded for wind.

Do the same for natural gas, coal, biofuels, etc and it will lessen our dependence on foreign oil (I am all for domestic drilling as well).

Fyi ethanol from corn is retarded but ethanol like fuel from trash is possible (I have worked on it) and works great. However it is honestly the EPA holding up that innovation because they are a RETARDED organization.

jmog;659877 wrote:You have to use the "green" energy that is efficient for your environment.

Arizona is great for solar. Ohio is retarded for solar.
Oklahoma great for wind. Colorado is retarded for wind.

Do the same for natural gas, coal, biofuels, etc and it will lessen our dependence on foreign oil (I am all for domestic drilling as well).

Fyi ethanol from corn is retarded but ethanol like fuel from trash is possible (I have worked on it) and works great. However it is honestly the EPA holding up that innovation because they are a RETARDED organization.

EPA is hold American back from developing ..... better engines, new method to get energy, cleaner fuels and engines, different power sources, new advances in what we have develop so far.... I would even go as far as to say those bastard can even change a tire and they are tell America how to roll....
jmog ...we think alike ... scary isn't it

How are they holding us back from developing better engines and new methods of getting energy (usually called "green" or renewable energy)?

I Wear Pants;660067 wrote:How are they holding us back from developing better engines and new methods of getting energy (usually called "green" or renewable energy)?

Because they employ a bunch of ideological idiots who don't understand the real world.

I kid you not I worked on a project that turned all organic trash (food, plastic, rubber, etc) into biofuels similar to ethanol. The process involved heating up the trash with natural gas but not burning the trash. The EPA refuses to ok the process due to believing it to be a trash incineration process.

Belly35;659867 wrote:For proper spacing of Blade Wind Turbine I used 8 acres because that what I was told is the requirement of the legal land clearance and environmental safe. “Ground vibration”. My company is developing an instrument for the wind turbine and in my few visit to different site arond the country this information was provide.

How much land is required?
Large wind projects require 10-30 acres of land per turbine to provide
Adequate exposure to the wind, proper setbacks from homes and roadways,
and appropriate spacing between turbines. Terrain features also need to be
considered. Space is needed around a turbine for a 20-foot, gravel access
road, a 10x12 foot concrete pad for an electrical transformer, and the
turbine foundation.

It really depends on the site you're using and what the state setback laws are, which can vary widely. The land out of commission is typically under an acre. When you're in the middle of a huge corn field, it's not like you're needing to find "new" land--even with spacing the turbines, you are essentially re-using the field.