Really excited to see this new revamped D-Line. Word out of Philly in the joint 2 day practices was that the Browns 1's pretty much manhandled the Eagles #1 O-Line. Jason Kelce had nothing but positive comments about the Browns D-Line.
Still have HUGE concerns over the kicker as I know he has the leg but think he has the yips. Between him and Stefanski's "riverboat gambler/go for it on every 4th down" mentality, I could see those two things costing them 2-3 games.
Have you seen the twitter/X/Tiktok theory on Bojorquez and York?
Basically someone on twitter followed Bojorquez' career and everywhere, EVERYWHERE, he has been the punter, and therefore the holder, the kicker had their worst year ever WRT percentage made FGs.
Remember the year Mason Crosby was almost ran out of GB? Yeah, Bojorquez was his holder.
The person on twitter basically said "York was the best accuracy kicker in the NCAA in over a decade and suddenly he can't kick straight...yet does in practice off the tees/holders all the time?"
Its like an Ace Ventura "laces out" Finkle/Einhorn conspiracy.
The stats of Bojorquez' career and the kickers where he was each time pans out though.
How is some guy on twitter figuring this out yet no data analyst on the Browns/NFL figured this out?
^^^^been familiar with this for a while. Might have mentioned it previously. Andrew Berry is stubborn and will keep guys he drafted around until the bitter end.
Tuned in just for the kicking. It’s bad. You can’t go into the season with York on this roster.
posted by Laley23Tuned in just for the kicking. It’s bad. You can’t go into the season with York on this roster.
Thought it was Finkle?
York kind of redeemed himself last night but still think he has the yips. Dude is money during training camp (hit 10 of 10 going against the Eagles in joint practices) but they get under the bright lights and he shrivels. The posts that jmog made about the holder may hold merit but this seems to be a recurring trend since Phil Dawson left. Browns bring in young kickers, they suck, then go on to have success elsewhere. EDIT: I only watched the first half. Didn't see where York pissed down his leg, missing one FG to put them ahead, getting a second chance and then missing that too.
About last night, I know he's going up against mostly garbage defenses but DTR may be the most polished QB coming out of the 2023 draft.
The Watkins kid might find a spot at WR and he's outplayed the 3rd rounder (Tillman). The undrafted LB, Diabate might be the steal of the undrafted. After he got the safety someone joked that if he keeps getting safeties they will start calling him Type 2 Diabate.
I also think Schwartz' defense is going to be super fun to watch. The backups on the D-Line are absolutely destroying people. I can't wait to see what the 1's do.
Where's Lou Groza when you need him.
posted by QuakerOatsWhere's Lou Groza when you need him.
I'd take Phil Dawson right now
Are you frigging kidding me?
Well, when your kicker is on IG at halftime posting that he made a kick in the first half… pic.twitter.com/Ttq3Fp1TUx
— John (@Believeland46) August 18, 2023
Stefanski said today that it wasn’t York who posted it. That said, I have 0 confidence in him as kicker.
posted by iclfan2Stefanski said today that it wasn’t York who posted it. That said, I have 0 confidence in him as kicker.
There are a lot of quality veteran kickers out there like Mason Crosby and there's a good chance Nick Folk is released by the Patriots. Think Robbie Gould is still out there too. Problem is, just like with Anthony Schwartz, Andrew Berry seems to be WAY too loyal to his crappy draft picks.
Perhaps let the backup QB be the holder for a while, at least to test the psychological factor.
Wonder if there's someone out there the Browns covet? Over the last few days Bitonio & Garrett have both restructured their contracts and the Browns are sitting on almost $34 million in cap space.
posted by BR1986FBWonder if there's someone out there the Browns covet? Over the last few days Bitonio & Garrett have both restructured their contracts and the Browns are sitting on almost $34 million in cap space.
Njoku just did it too. Wonder if they are going after someone now or preparing for a big signing next season?
They now have almost $37 million in cap space.
Is there anyone big on their own team that needs signed long term right now that I'm not thinking of?
EDIT: I just looked, no big names that end at the end of this year on the team. Next year (their contract ends after 2024) we have Chubb, Cooper, E. Moore, JOK all FAs. They could be freeing up space to resign a couple of them but that wouldn't take up $34 million this season for sure.
EDIT 2: Looking forward, some of this was because these guys had HUTE cap hits in 2024. Garrett was $35MM, Bitonio was $20MM, Njoku was $19. They were scheduled to be $86MM OVER the cap in 2024, unless they restruction Watson, this cap space they are making for this year is going to be used to rollover into next year. Watson's number next year is $64MM cap hit for just him.
They aren't signing anyone, they are starting early on trying to fix next year's disaster and still have a team to compete.
posted by jmog
They aren't signing anyone, they are starting early on trying to fix next year's disaster and still have a team to compete.
This. They should actually be in decent shape for what Jack Duffin, the OBR's resident capologist, is saying.
Also, for as much as people want to rip on Haslam as an owner, unlike the Dolan's, he's willing to spend and is passionate about winning.
How has Watson looked? Is he regaining all pro-form, or jury still out?
WOnder if we run Chubb into the ground and kick him to the curb for Taylor.
posted by gutHow has Watson looked? Is he regaining all pro-form, or jury still out?
He looked solid in the limited duty he had. Drove down to the 1 yard line and Stefanski got super conservative and just ran it up the gut. Sounds like he didn't want to show that much of the red zone offense.
The 1's will be playing against the Chiefs on Saturday so we'll see more then. From all I've heard, he's looked light years better in training camp now that they are running an offense tailored to him instead of Brissett...but again, just training camp.
There are a ton of veteran kickers out there. They HAVE to bring one in.
posted by iclfan2There are a ton of veteran kickers out there. They HAVE to bring one in.
Watched a lot of this but was at my grandson's birthday party at the end and was tracking it on ESPN Gamecast. When the Browns got down to KC's 25 yard line before the blocked FG, the "probability of winning" for the Browns was like 72%. I chuckled and said "they obviously haven't been paying attention to the Browns kicker."
