Cleveland Browns 2023 Season Thread

Al Bundy Senior Member
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Fri, Nov 3, 2023 8:50 PM
posted by gut

All of sports.  $230M guaranteed - CLE is stuck with him for 3 more years.

Probably the only way out is to start sending a parade of massage "therapists" to his home.

It's not just the money, it's all of the draft capital that we gave up too. 

gut Senior Member
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Sat, Nov 4, 2023 11:23 AM
posted by Al Bundy

It's not just the money, it's all of the draft capital that we gave up too. 

It's the combo that puts it in the running for possibly the worst deal in all of sports.  The awful trade is just compounded by the fact they can't cut him because of all the guaranteed money.

Still hard to believe.  Watson was a Mahomes-like outlier prior to his year and a half off. 

Al Bundy Senior Member
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Sat, Nov 4, 2023 12:56 PM
posted by gut

It's the combo that puts it in the running for possibly the worst deal in all of sports.  The awful trade is just compounded by the fact they can't cut him because of all the guaranteed money.

Still hard to believe.  Watson was a Mahomes-like outlier prior to his year and a half off. 

Part of what makes it a horrible trade is that the Browns were built better to be a running team, and out of nowhere they decide to become a passing team. Even with Chubb out, they are still better as a running team. That draft capital could have gone a long way towards supplementing areas of need.

BRF Senior Member
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Sun, Nov 5, 2023 1:50 PM

I’m liking listening to Paul Keels. 

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Sun, Nov 5, 2023 2:03 PM

Watson taking some hits, had a good throw to Cooper. Random deflection off a helmet again but into Cooper’s hands this time. Defense needs to keep the heat on. 

gut Senior Member
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Sun, Nov 5, 2023 3:44 PM

Silly Browns with the 20 point lead....you only need to lead by 1 to win the game!

BR1986FB Senior Member
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Sun, Nov 5, 2023 6:48 PM

Was nice to see the team do what was expected of them today although the defense played way beyond expectations surrendering 58 net yards.

After shaking off some rust, Watson looked pretty solid. His arm strength is there, he took a few hits and had a beautiful late bomb to Cooper. Should've had a PI call on the deep ball to Goodwin.

My biggest concern is that if teams take away Amari Cooper that the passing attack is screwed. Njoku helps out some but after that.....nothing.

On to Baltimore which will be a huge test against what might be the best team in the NFL right now.

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Sun, Nov 5, 2023 8:07 PM

^^^^ Why I really wanted them to go after Adams, Jeudy, or Hollywood. This Wr is lacking a true #1, and no #2. 

And yeah, Watson threw 4 great deep balls today. 2 not caught, but dropped in perfectly. He looked a lot better than what the media will portray. I thought he looked off balanced a few times more than a shoulder issue, which led to some bad throws. But overall thought he was pretty on point. 

Imo, that’s 2 really solid games in a row when healthy.

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Sun, Nov 5, 2023 8:21 PM

I can’t see a way they beat Baltimore

BR1986FB Senior Member
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Mon, Nov 6, 2023 7:51 AM
posted by Laley23

^^^^ Why I really wanted them to go after Adams, Jeudy, or Hollywood. This Wr is lacking a true #1, and no #2. 

And yeah, Watson threw 4 great deep balls today. 2 not caught, but dropped in perfectly. He looked a lot better than what the media will portray. I thought he looked off balanced a few times more than a shoulder issue, which led to some bad throws. But overall thought he was pretty on point. 

Imo, that’s 2 really solid games in a row when healthy.

Yeah, Watson needed this game to shake off some of the rust and give him a confidence builder. He started pretty slow but once he took a hit it was like "ok, passed that test, we can do this" and he kind of took off from there.

I still expect the Rats to beat them but I don't think it will be the total embarrassment the first game was.

33,369 posts 133 reps Joined Nov 2009
Mon, Nov 6, 2023 10:24 AM

Also seemed like Stefanski held him back a bit with playcalling, knowing it was Arizona, and not opening up anything before Baltimore. Cause there were a ton of screens, bubbles, and 3 step drops -- when Watson was dicing up anything downfield most of the game. Don't think that was a coincidence. 

BRF Senior Member
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Mon, Nov 6, 2023 11:58 AM

Anyone know when the Browns last had a shutout?

I remember a 27-0 win on Dec. 27, 1964. 😎

Al Bundy Senior Member
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Mon, Nov 6, 2023 12:09 PM
posted by BRF

Anyone know when the Browns last had a shutout?

I remember a 27-0 win on Dec. 27, 1964. 😎

2007 snow game against Buffalo

BR1986FB Senior Member
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Mon, Nov 6, 2023 12:12 PM
posted by Al Bundy

2007 snow game against Buffalo

That one was weird. I've never seen a ball travel so oddly on field goals that Phil Dawson hit. I also remember a pass Joe J caught on a ricochet off a defender.

BR1986FB Senior Member
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Mon, Nov 6, 2023 12:40 PM

BR1986FB Senior Member
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Tue, Nov 7, 2023 7:35 AM
posted by iclfan2

I can’t see a way they beat Baltimore

Very likely but if you look at the stats of the last game, the Browns defense gave up less than 300 total yards and DTR gifted the Rats offense 14 of their 28 points with two turnovers inside the Browns 30. Would be very surprised to see the offense play similarly.

Granted, the Rats were missing a ton of starters in that game.

Al Bundy Senior Member
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Tue, Nov 7, 2023 8:24 AM
posted by BR1986FB

Very likely but if you look at the stats of the last game, the Browns defense gave up less than 300 total yards and DTR gifted the Rats offense 14 of their 28 points with two turnovers inside the Browns 30. Would be very surprised to see the offense play similarly.

Granted, the Rats were missing a ton of starters in that game.

In every loss this year, turnovers have been the biggest problem. Watson was much better with decision making against the Cardinals. He is still inconsistent with accuracy. If can protect the football and do a better job against their running game, I think that we have a chance.

BR1986FB Senior Member
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Tue, Nov 7, 2023 8:32 AM
posted by Al Bundy

In every loss this year, turnovers have been the biggest problem. Watson was much better with decision making against the Cardinals. He is still inconsistent with accuracy. If can protect the football and do a better job against their running game, I think that we have a chance.

I don't expect it to be a blowout but who knows.

One thing I've noticed with Watson is that he throws a lot of worm burners (low passes). Not sure if this has been a theme his whole career or just in Cleveland. If he can get that fixed, the completion percentage should go up. 

Agree with the turnovers. No way a team with this defense should be in a negative turnover ratio.

BR1986FB Senior Member
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