Progressives, part 3...

posted by justincredible

Nothing is going to improve at the Federal level until Joe Rogan is elected President.

I don’t agree with him on many things, but he would be better than the last 2 or 3 we had.

posted by justincredible

Nothing is going to improve at the Federal level until Joe Rogan is elected President.

Yea I could go for that.

Did anyone see his podcast with Oliver Stone?  Holy hell the deep state kill Kennedy

Yes, the former host of Fear Factor will make a fine POTUS. 

posted by Automatik

Yes, the former host of Fear Factor will make a fine POTUS. 

Better then the guy in there now

posted by Fletch

Yea I could go for that.

Did anyone see his podcast with Oliver Stone?  Holy hell the deep state kill Kennedy

JFK is one of the most flawed films ever.  If Stone is still pushing that version, get your tin foil hat out to watch.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

JFK is one of the most flawed films ever.  If Stone is still pushing that version, get your tin foil hat out to watch.

You do know that thousands of documents have been released since then and they all make the film look accurate

posted by Fletch

You do know that thousands of documents have been released since then and they all make the film look accurate

I’ve no doubt that you’ve poured through the documents as they were released to build the clear case against the “deep state” - as opposed to hearing Oliver Stone mention the release of documents that supposedly support his theory on Rogan’s show.  

There isn’t a conspiracy even one tenth the size of this that’s successfully been kept secret by its organizers.  The only people that Stone relied on for his movie were either portrayed opposite their real life stance (Pesci’s character), exaggerated for effect “(Kevin Bacon’s character) or weren’t even real (Donald Sutherland’s character). 

I know it’s en vogue to pin the ills of the country on the Deep State, a term you’d probably never heard until say 2016.  But use your common sense.  Large groups of humans aren’t sophisticated enough to keep big secrets.  Never have and never will.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I’ve no doubt that you’ve poured through the documents as they were released to build the clear case against the “deep state” - as opposed to hearing Oliver Stone mention the release of documents that supposedly support his theory on Rogan’s show.  

There isn’t a conspiracy even one tenth the size of this that’s successfully been kept secret by its organizers.  The only people that Stone relied on for his movie were either portrayed opposite their real life stance (Pesci’s character), exaggerated for effect “(Kevin Bacon’s character) or weren’t even real (Donald Sutherland’s character). 

I know it’s en vogue to pin the ills of the country on the Deep State, a term you’d probably never heard until say 2016.  But use your common sense.  Large groups of humans aren’t sophisticated enough to keep big secrets.  Never have and never will.  

Watch the podcast and the reread your post

posted by kizer permanente

Lol no I don’t watch any of that shit. I don’t live for this shit like you guys. I suppose I’ll just take your word for it that nothing really happened and they’re being charged and convicted improperly. Because that makes way more sense. 

posted by QuakerOats

Guess you didnt watch gblocks video eh?

1/6 is already out of the news cycle.  Even the left knows that nobody gives a fuck. 

posted by Fletch

Watch the podcast and the reread your post

I listened today.  What I heard was Stone expressing his opinions and then occasionally citing a random document that had been released.  "The CIA hated Kennedy" or "The General that wanted Kennedy dead smoked a cigar at his autopsy thereby proving his elation" or "the CIA killed millions" (implying that they killed Kennedy because he supposidly wanted to eliminate the agency).   These are the same theories that have been bantered about for decades.  Even though Stone has credited himself and his documentary on opening up government documents that countless historians ignored, he doesn't touch on anything new.  Mostly what he provides is opinion without any evidence followed by Rogan saying "holy shit", etc.  

The problem Stone has that he can't address is how a conspiracy that would have had to literally involve thousands of people with different interests has managed to stay quiet for 60 years when nothing even close to it in scale has ever shown evidence of being kept under wraps.  That's one of the fatal flaws with conspiracy theories.  The other, in my opinion, is they give human beings credit for being way more capable than they usually are.  Most large operations however successful are littered with mistakes and missteps.  Think of DDay, the Civil War, the Cold War, hell even the roll out of a Covid vaccine.  Maybe successful in some respects, but often inhibited and sometimes almost derailed by SNAFUs.  Use the smell test on the Kennedy assasination - this Deep State which Stone openly says basically fucks up everything it touches, is somehow able to pull off the most complex of operations with no one but freaky side characters saying a word ever.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I listened today.  What I heard was Stone expressing his opinions and then occasionally citing a random document that had been released.  "The CIA hated Kennedy" or "The General that wanted Kennedy dead smoked a cigar at his autopsy thereby proving his elation" or "the CIA killed millions" (implying that they killed Kennedy because he supposidly wanted to eliminate the agency).   These are the same theories that have been bantered about for decades.  Even though Stone has credited himself and his documentary on opening up government documents that countless historians ignored, he doesn't touch on anything new.  Mostly what he provides is opinion without any evidence followed by Rogan saying "holy shit", etc.  

The problem Stone has that he can't address is how a conspiracy that would have had to literally involve thousands of people with different interests has managed to stay quiet for 60 years when nothing even close to it in scale has ever shown evidence of being kept under wraps.  That's one of the fatal flaws with conspiracy theories.  The other, in my opinion, is they give human beings credit for being way more capable than they usually are.  Most large operations however successful are littered with mistakes and missteps.  Think of DDay, the Civil War, the Cold War, hell even the roll out of a Covid vaccine.  Maybe successful in some respects, but often inhibited and sometimes almost derailed by SNAFUs.  Use the smell test on the Kennedy assasination - this Deep State which Stone openly says basically fucks up everything it touches, is somehow able to pull off the most complex of operations with no one but freaky side characters saying a word ever.  

So since you think this then you believe that Oswald killed him by himself with a magic bullet…got it.  Sounds way more logical.

posted by Fletch
So since you think this then you believe that Oswald killed him by himself with a magic bullet…got it.  Sounds way more logical.

I do believe Oswald killed him.  As far as the "magic bullet", that is not some factual name.  That's what conspiracy people call it.  Based upon where Kennedy's seat was relative to Connelly's (up higher), one bullet would explain how they were both wounded.  

This is a good example of Occam's razor.  It's generally upsetting that one person and cause so much mayhem.  But it happens.  Just because it is very bad doesn't mean that the explanation behind it is complex.  A politically intensive guy who had a long history of having extreme viewpoints took matters into his own hands and took advantage of a prime opportunity to position himself for a successful shot.  So a nobody kills the president.  Just because it was a president who had enemies - like every president before and after - doesn't mean his assassination could only come as the result of a months or years long plan executed by thousands of powerful forces and kept quiet for all time.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I do believe Oswald killed him.  As far as the "magic bullet", that is not some factual name.  That's what conspiracy people call it.  Based upon where Kennedy's seat was relative to Connelly's (up higher), one bullet would explain how they were both wounded.  

This is a good example of Occam's razor.  It's generally upsetting that one person and cause so much mayhem.  But it happens.  Just because it is very bad doesn't mean that the explanation behind it is complex.  A politically intensive guy who had a long history of having extreme viewpoints took matters into his own hands and took advantage of a prime opportunity to position himself for a successful shot.  So a nobody kills the president.  Just because it was a president who had enemies - like every president before and after - doesn't mean his assassination could only come as the result of a months or years long plan executed by thousands of powerful forces and kept quiet for all time.  

Oswald killing Kennedy is about as possible (could he have been one of a few shooters?  probably)  But the chance that he is a lone gunman is about the same as the story that Woody Harrelsons dad was on the grassy knoll.

posted by Fletch

Oswald killing Kennedy is about as possible (could he have been one of a few shooters?  probably)  But the chance that he is a lone gunman is about the same as the story that Woody Harrelsons dad was on the grassy knoll.

Why?  Because Oliver Stone thinks so?   This guy sees conspiracy and dark evil forces everywhere.  Because you say do?  Based on what?

It’s almost as if they’re trying to lose as many seats in 2022 as they can.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Voting bill push collapses as Democrats Manchin, Sinema side with Republicans against changing Senate rules.

— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) January 20, 2022

posted by iclfan2

It’s almost as if they’re trying to lose as many seats in 2022 as they can.

The whole voting rights issue is hilarious all on its own.  For starters, the Republican "disenfranchisement" efforts are at least as much bullshit as vote fraud.  Two sides of the same coin.  But this is one of several manufactured issues Dems have pushed for years that is coming back to bite them because voters are upset Dems aren't fixing problems they made up.

But 'ol Dementia Joe didn't stop there.  No, he appeared to imply the 2022 elections might be illegitimate if they don't pass the bill.  "Big Lie", anyone?!?  Or course, it's only ironic if one actually believes only one party does this crap.

And then he talks about going on the campaign trail for vulnerable Reps.  I think in modern history only Trump had a lower approval rating.  I don't think "Moderate Joe" is going to sway swing state voters.

That presser was something else.  Something for everyone.  And parts of it he was very good.  Schizophrenic is how I'd probably best describe it.  At other times he was desperate and weak and almost begging for the press' approval.  Like he had one of those senior temper tantrums with his approval tanking so he was done hiding.  And everyone got to see why his handlers keep him in the basement so much.

When both parties get their hands on a nonsense issue, it's amazing the amount of time that can be wasted other than stirring up their party loyalists, which is of course the real goal.

Democrats, with rare exception minorities have ID and those that don't can easily get one. How very white of you to think you need to take care of these poor unfortunates to accomplish something so trivial.

Republicans, there is no real evidence of widespread cheating in our elections no matter which podcast "celebrities" get some crackpot to say there is.