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Mar 30, 2010 9:51 PM
I think it's hilarious how Artest gets so much credit too. Wasn't he brought in to be a physical defender for guys like LeBron? Did everyone else witness LeBron play Artest's style of physical game and destroy him at it when they played this year?

The Lakers were better off slowing LeBron down with Ariza--contrary to popular belief, being physical is NOT the best way to slow down a player that is 6'9 270, arguably the fastest player in the league, the strongest finisher at the rim and the most skilled all around player in the league. They don't call him L-Train for no reason.
Mar 30, 2010 9:51pm
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Mar 30, 2010 9:52 PM
Sage wrote: We'll see when the votes are tallied.
We'll see what?

I said he's a candidate. Clearly he is.
Mar 30, 2010 9:52pm
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Mar 30, 2010 9:55 PM
Because ESPN says so? I'll let the people who actually vote for this thing define who is a candidate and who isn't. He should get a handful of votes if he's a "candidate."
Mar 30, 2010 9:55pm
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Mar 30, 2010 9:59 PM
No need for me to read through all the bullshit that was posted on this thread.

I'll say one thing, if the Cavs and Bucks met in the playoffs, it'd go no more than 5 games.

Sage, you're either a)trolling these guys B) drunk or c) really that ignorant to think so.
Mar 30, 2010 9:59pm
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Mar 30, 2010 10:10 PM
lhslep134 wrote:
SQ_Crazies wrote: Anderson Varejao can't handle Pau Gasol?

1st team defense candidate, DPOY candidate and 6th man of the year candidate...you're right, he ain't shit.
Over the course of a 7 game series I'd bet that Pau would get the best of Varejao.

That's why we got Shaq.
Don't mean to jump in here like this.....but.....Lakers would not miss Pau as much as the Cavs would miss Anderson...if either one got hurt.

Other than LBJ, the Cavs chances of winning this year's title would be hurt the most losing Andy over any other player.

The Cavs effort or lack there of against the Kings was directly related to AV being out.
Mar 30, 2010 10:10pm
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Mar 30, 2010 10:11 PM
LOL. You're crazy. Pau Gasol is the hub or the hole in every play ran in the triangle.

You guys seem to think Anderson Varejeao is some godly creature. HE DOESNT EVEN START.
Mar 30, 2010 10:11pm
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Mar 30, 2010 10:12 PM
Sage wrote: Because ESPN says so? I'll let the people who actually vote for this thing define who is a candidate and who isn't. He should get a handful of votes if he's a "candidate."
Actually, you don't have to receive any votes to have been a candidate.
Mar 30, 2010 10:12pm
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Mar 30, 2010 10:17 PM
dave wrote: Boobie and Powe also have plenty of playoff experience.
I really think Brownie needs to realize this and get them the minutes they deserve.

If Leon and Daniel rot away on the bench, and the team gets bumped out, I'll be jumping off Brownie's band wagon.
Mar 30, 2010 10:17pm
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Mar 30, 2010 10:17 PM
Sage wrote: LOL. You're crazy. Pau Gasol is the hub or the hole in every play ran in the triangle.

You guys seem to think Anderson Varejeao is some godly creature. HE DOESNT EVEN START.
I agree with him.

AV is SECOND IN THE LEAGUE in +/-. (10 seconds until you tell me how stupid of a stat this is...unless of course Gasol was 2nd ;)) I've always been of the opinion that +/- tells you a lot about a player when it's kept over a period of time--like the whole season. It's pointless when you look at an individual game.

Fact is, without Gasol they still have Bynum--who is also an All Star caliber 7-footer. Without Andy, the Cavs have a HUGE hole to fill and no one on the roster right comes close to filling it. And neato, he doesn't start--the dude plays 30 minutes a game and he FINISHES, which is far more important. He doesn't start because he brings energy and a boost off the bench and we have other good 4's--but there is no doubt who our best power forward is.
Mar 30, 2010 10:17pm
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Footwedge

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Mar 30, 2010 10:23 PM
Sage wrote: LOL. You're crazy. Pau Gasol is the hub or the hole in every play ran in the triangle.

You guys seem to think Anderson Varejeao is some godly creature. HE DOESNT EVEN START.
That's actually agood argument. Anderson should start. But you might notice, he always finishes.

If you don't watch the Cavs everyday, then you can't understand the value he brings to the team.

I'm gonna review the stats of the 2 players and do a comparison. My guess is that other than free throw percentage, AV beats Pau in every offensive stat if guaged per minute. And there is nobody in the NBA circles that won't say AV is better than Pau at the defensive end.
Mar 30, 2010 10:23pm
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Mar 30, 2010 10:24 PM
My current favorite lineup includes Delonte/AP/LeBron/Jamison/AV

I love when Jamison and AV are on the floor together, because Jamison opens up lanes for AV to roll to and they're both relentless rebounders.

They're both playing some very good defense as of late too.
Mar 30, 2010 10:24pm
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Mar 30, 2010 10:25 PM
Oh don't pull the per minute shit man.

Reggie Miller scored 9 points in 11 seconds or whatever the hell it was.
Mar 30, 2010 10:25pm
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Mar 30, 2010 10:30 PM
Ah geesh FW, you're going to back-up your lucid moment last night with more PER stuff?
Mar 30, 2010 10:30pm
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Mar 30, 2010 10:33 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: Oh don't pull the per minute shit man.

Reggie Miller scored 9 points in 11 seconds or whatever the hell it was.
54 Points PM :)
Mar 30, 2010 10:33pm
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Mar 30, 2010 10:50 PM
ytownfootball wrote: Ah geesh FW, you're going to back-up your lucid moment last night with more PER stuff?
I know you fuckers don't like the per minute stat....but it's a great stat in measuring performance. If you don't like it. too bad. Since the NBA uses it on their official stat sheet, it's pretty clear that the statistic has merit.

AV shoots 57% from the field this year, which is a lot better than Pau's 52%. Gasol has twice as many assists per minute, but much of that has to do with touches, just like Sage said, the ball goes into him in the post. That's not the way the Cavs operate with Andy.

Sooo...given the fact that Anderson is the better defensive player, i think it's a fair statement that AV is a slighttly better overall player than Pau.

Gasol averages 11.1 R Per 36 minutes vs. AV's 10.0 Per 36 minutes.
Mar 30, 2010 10:50pm
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Mar 30, 2010 10:54 PM
Pau is still better, sorry. Given the option I'd take Pau 10 outta 10 times.
Mar 30, 2010 10:54pm
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Mar 30, 2010 10:55 PM
HighRoller74 wrote:
SQ_Crazies wrote: Oh don't pull the per minute shit man.

Reggie Miller scored 9 points in 11 seconds or whatever the hell it was.
54 Points PM :)
So if I get 160 hits in 400 at bats...and you get 170 hits in 600 at bats, are you the better hitter?

Or if Sizemore steals 30 bags in 33 attempts, and Brantley steals 35 bags in 65 attempts, who's the better base stealer?

End of debate, kids.
Mar 30, 2010 10:55pm
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Mar 30, 2010 10:58 PM
I'll take Gasol 10 out of 10 times too, and you know I love Andy FW.
Mar 30, 2010 10:58pm
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Footwedge

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Mar 30, 2010 10:59 PM
lhslep134 wrote: Pau is still better, sorry. Given the option I'd take Pau 10 outta 10 times.
No need to apologize....the players overall numbers are pretty close....the deciding factor is on the defensive side of the ball. Even though Pau rips down 10% more boards per minute than AV, Andy is a lot tougher and will get more 50-50 balls.
Mar 30, 2010 10:59pm
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Footwedge

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Mar 30, 2010 11:00 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: I'll take Gasol 10 out of 10 times too, and you know I love Andy FW.
Well, then my reply to the other poster also applies to you.
Mar 30, 2010 11:00pm
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Mar 30, 2010 11:10 PM
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Mar 30, 2010 11:10pm
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Mar 31, 2010 7:53 AM
It's hard to compare AV & Gasol, because they are completely different players with completely different roles on their team.
Mar 31, 2010 7:53am
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Apr 1, 2010 2:03 PM
Just wondering if anyone knows what happened to Darnell Jackson when they waived him to make room Z.
Last night I thought I saw him on the bench in street cloths and I caught the tail end of a Fred and AC talking about how everyone was supporting him.

My computer is broke at home and this is just bugging me. Is he still on the team?
Apr 1, 2010 2:03pm
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Apr 1, 2010 2:06 PM
swimmer, I think the Bucks actually picked him up that Thursday when Cleveland released him. He won't be eligible for the playoffs though.
Apr 1, 2010 2:06pm
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Apr 1, 2010 2:33 PM
Oh so I saw him on the bucks bench.
They passed by him so fast and I really wasn't paying much attention then it hit me what is he doing there and they never showed him again. Now it all makes sense.
Apr 1, 2010 2:33pm