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Can DeMarcus Cousins steal John Wall's #1 slot?

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Mar 26, 2010 4:25 PM
He's turnover prone and shaky on the three. He'd be a good two, but why pass on Cousins? His numbers are outstanding against very good competition, he's got an NBA ready body, and dominance down low can never be underestimated. Solid big/biggers aren't as available as 2's, I still think you take Cousins.
Mar 26, 2010 4:25pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:26 PM
Okay, so since the Jazz are so close to the top, and they get the #1 pick; wouldn't it make more sense to trade the pick for an already proven player instead of drafting a guy who you don't even know will have a natural position?
Mar 26, 2010 4:26pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:29 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: If there is any doubt there then he doesn't put the Jazz over the top, because that's what they need. They're a lot further behind the Lakers than a rookie Evan Turner.
Are you seriously that much of an idiot? The Jazz are currently starting Wesley Matthews at the 2 and CJ Miles at the 3, neither of those are perennial all stars and I DON'T doubt that Turner is better than them.

John Wall wouldn't play on that team and they have Boozer and Millsap at the 4, along with Kirilenko when he comes back who can play the 3 or 4 so they have no room for Cousins either.


At this point it's just laughable how stubborn you are and won't admit you're wrong.
Mar 26, 2010 4:29pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:31 PM
I just dont see how Turner is going to be a stud in the NBA. He doesnt have the quickness.

Wall is a sure-fire All-Star. Turner may make an All-Star team a couple times (though I doubt it) but he wont be perennial like Wall.
Mar 26, 2010 4:31pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:32 PM
Cousins could play the 4 or 5. Boozer might look elsewhere and that leaves you Millsap who is undersized and Okur who is soft. There is certainly space for Cousins.

Wall could play the 1 and move Williams to the 2 and let them share the ball.

Or like I said, you trade the pick.

Turner is not an option with the #1 pick.
Mar 26, 2010 4:32pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:32 PM
Its simple really..if your the nets, you take the best player in the draft.

If your the Jazz..you take what you need to make you better.
Mar 26, 2010 4:32pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:33 PM
If you're the Jazz you take Wall or Cousins anyways and use em as trade bait. You take the best available player ont he board if you're not rebuilding IMO. Because you already have a decent team, someone will want wall/cousins very bad and probably give you more than that hes worth
Mar 26, 2010 4:33pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:33 PM
Laley23 wrote: I just dont see how Turner is going to be a stud in the NBA. He doesnt have the quickness.

Wall is a sure-fire All-Star. Turner may make an All-Star team a couple times (though I doubt it) but he wont be perennial like Wall.
That's not my argument though.

I'll simplify this:

Wall/Cousins pro potential > Turner's

Jazzs team needs:

SG/SF > PG/PF
Mar 26, 2010 4:33pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:39 PM
lhslep134 wrote:
Laley23 wrote: I just dont see how Turner is going to be a stud in the NBA. He doesnt have the quickness.

Wall is a sure-fire All-Star. Turner may make an All-Star team a couple times (though I doubt it) but he wont be perennial like Wall.
That's not my argument though.

I'll simplify this:

Wall/Cousins pro potential > Turner's

Jazzs team needs:

SG/SF > PG/PF
I have to agree. D. Williams is your PG of today and tomorrow in Utah. You don't replace him. They are extremely weak at the 2 and the 3. If I were the Jazz, I'd be smooth and trade down to 2 or 3 and grab Turner. I'm sure they could swap picks with someone who really wants Wall.

If Boozer isn't coming back, I'd look at Cousins.
Mar 26, 2010 4:39pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:39 PM
lhslep134 wrote:
SQ_Crazies wrote: If there is any doubt there then he doesn't put the Jazz over the top, because that's what they need. They're a lot further behind the Lakers than a rookie Evan Turner.
Are you seriously that much of an idiot? The Jazz are currently starting Wesley Matthews at the 2 and CJ Miles at the 3, neither of those are perennial all stars and I DON'T doubt that Turner is better than them.

John Wall wouldn't play on that team and they have Boozer and Millsap at the 4, along with Kirilenko when he comes back who can play the 3 or 4 so they have no room for Cousins either.


At this point it's just laughable how stubborn you are and won't admit you're wrong.
You make this way too easy. I'm the stubborn one? You're just a homer.

Thank you for proving my point. And refer back to what I said, they NEED a perennial All Star to pass the Lakers. They might be up there in the West--but they're further behind the Lakers than the Mavs or the Nuggets. They could beat other of those teams, but they don't match up as well against the Lakers as the other two.

LOL @ John Wall not playing...yeah right, even with Williams he'd get tons of minutes. And they have no room for Cousins? What if they can't bring Boozer back? Why not replace Millsap with Cousins? I'd take Cousins all day in that comparison--and you need dominant big men to contend with Gasol AND Bynum.

I'm not wrong, that's why I won't "admit" that I am. Turner will not go #1, period.
Mar 26, 2010 4:39pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:40 PM
If the Jazz get it and don't want Wall or Cousins they'll trade out before they'd pick Turner.
Mar 26, 2010 4:40pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:41 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: If the Jazz get it and don't want Wall or Cousins they'll trade out before they'd pick Turner.
I agree. They'll swap #1 for the 2 or 3 + some to get Turner.
Mar 26, 2010 4:41pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:42 PM
Agreed.
Mar 26, 2010 4:42pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:46 PM
Who am I a homer for?

Turner because he fills a team need moreso than Wall or Cousins, even though I've said I think both will be better pros?

LOL that's one of the biggest stretches I've ever seen to try and prove a false point, calling me a homer for using logic.

So you think a Jazz team consisting of:

Williams
Mathews
Miles
Cousins
Okur

Is better than:

Williams
Turner
Miles
Boozer
Okur


Sorry but I completely disagree with you. They're 1-2 against the Lakers this year and a lot of that had to do with the fact that they needed another scorer besides Williams which Turner is.
Mar 26, 2010 4:46pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:47 PM
The thing that is different between the NBA and the NFL, NBA drafts on potential over NBA ready. NFL drafts players that have 3 years of major experience before they get drafted and are expected to have immediate return. NBA picks are always 2 to 3 years out before drastic return. For example, Darko Milic was drafted purely on potentially and not experience and look how he ended up. NBA draft picks are sometimes gambles. They may not draft the most NBA ready player at that spot, but someone that has the potential to be a star.
Mar 26, 2010 4:47pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:48 PM
You take Cousins just to pound at the Lakers to get out of the West. Boozer can't do that if he does come back anyway. You don't pass on 6'11" 280 given the chance imo.
Mar 26, 2010 4:48pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:51 PM
ytownfootball wrote: You take Cousins just to pound at the Lakers to get out of the West. Boozer can't do that if he does come back anyway. You don't pass on 6'11" 280 given the chance imo.
And you don't pick a player at #1 that you can get at #2 or #3. If the Jazz get the #1 pick and the Nets #2, you can bet that within 10 minutes there is a trade offer on the table with the guarantee that they're going to pick Wall. And Utah will do that, why wouldn't you? I guarantee that the Nets already have a package put together for this scenario.
Mar 26, 2010 4:51pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:54 PM
This NBA offseason will be the most interesting NBA offseason ever. This draft will make it even more stellar. I can wait though because I'm waiting on the King & a ring.
Mar 26, 2010 4:54pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:55 PM
In the end I just don't think Turner is defined enough to warrant #1 money.
Mar 26, 2010 4:55pm
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Mar 26, 2010 4:59 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote:
ytownfootball wrote: You take Cousins just to pound at the Lakers to get out of the West. Boozer can't do that if he does come back anyway. You don't pass on 6'11" 280 given the chance imo.
And you don't pick a player at #1 that you can get at #2 or #3. If the Jazz get the #1 pick and the Nets #2, you can bet that within 10 minutes there is a trade offer on the table with the guarantee that they're going to pick Wall. And Utah will do that, why wouldn't you? I guarantee that the Nets already have a package put together for this scenario.
I'm willing to admit we're both right. The Jazz, IMO if they get the #1 pick will take Turner, whether it's via trading down or actually taking him #1 because they need Turner more than Cousins or Wall.

In that scenario, you are right in saying Wall or Cousins would go #1 if the Jazz trade their pick.


In all honesty, I see the Jazz much more likely to trade the pick to #2 or #3 because SO many teams want Wall that there will be some pretty lucrative packages.
Mar 26, 2010 4:59pm
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Mar 26, 2010 5:01 PM
lhslep134 wrote:
Laley23 wrote: I just dont see how Turner is going to be a stud in the NBA. He doesnt have the quickness.

Wall is a sure-fire All-Star. Turner may make an All-Star team a couple times (though I doubt it) but he wont be perennial like Wall.
That's not my argument though.

I'll simplify this:

Wall/Cousins pro potential > Turner's

Jazzs team needs:

SG/SF > PG/PF
Ok, but Turner still isnt gonna help them all that much. He just wont be able to do what he does in the college in the NBA. Guys can guard him cause he isnt quick, and he doesnt have a great shot.

Wes Johnson at the 3 would be a better option for the Jazz than Turner at the 2. Johnson isnt all that quick either, but going against 3s he will be able to beat them more than Turner and has a better shot.
Mar 26, 2010 5:01pm
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Mar 26, 2010 5:04 PM
I don't disagree that the Jazz may want Turner--though I don't think he'll put them over the top in the West. But I don't see any scenario that makes him the first pick.
Mar 26, 2010 5:04pm
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Mar 26, 2010 5:06 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: I don't disagree that the Jazz may want Turner--though I don't think he'll put them over the top in the West. But I don't see any scenario that makes him the first pick.
To be honest, I don't see any scenario that can play out on draft day that can put any team in the West over the Mavericks and Lakers next year, assuming players stay with their current teams, so that's why I think the Jazz would go with Turner.
Mar 26, 2010 5:06pm
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Mar 26, 2010 5:07 PM
Turner wouldn't beat Ronnie Brewer out for minutes in Utah.
Mar 26, 2010 5:07pm
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Mar 27, 2010 12:01 AM
I'm not arrogant enough to argue back and forth as to there being no chance what so ever that Turner goes #1. It most definitely is possible. The draft hasn't happened yet. John Wall will have the "character" word come up about him, as will Cousins. Turner could be more impressive during workouts. It IS possible. Not knowing who will have the #1 pick, what do I put the odds of Turner being the #1 pick? I would say 1.5%. I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt he goes #1. But it is possible until the draft comes and goes.
Mar 27, 2010 12:01am